The member Zeppelin has been banned from the forums for a week, for repeated swearing in-game and forums, provoking other members, insulting other members, and generally being downright disagreeable.
THANK YOU SHAEL!!!
I'm new here but i find this rather...well i disagree with it.
I have a feel i'll end up right along side him if all it takes is being disagreeable and repeated swearing...I must admit i curse like a saylor and dont think to watch what i type.
Big rick, welcome! :D How's sup going? I need to join some time...
Anyway, zep's a jerk and an idiot too, good to see he's gone for a while
You two know each other and too bad Zeps only gone for a week
Quote from: Night Wolf on June 29, 2009, 01:45:55 AM
You two know each other and too bad Zeps only gone for a week
Yeah he was helping to teach me play endrev.net (like here but rats =0.001 net etc etc and with alot of extra features), but I kept losing intrests haha.
And rick, he wasn't just swearing, he was insulting alot as well, plus this site is wrote off kids set of books so it's pg 13. Zep knew that but swore anyway repeatedly, as well as (phailing at) repeatedly insulting other members.
Okay, so no offense but if he is getting banned I believe a gagging is in order for both ungatt and night wolf.
repeatedly saying that his mother OD'd on oxiclean and provoking further swearing and acting out with flames is not exactly the atmosphere I'd like to see on our forums. This infuriates me, :-X
I agree with Snare, the two of theme did provoke him more and more. At least a warning is in order for them. Sorry you two, but you know that you both were in the wrong.
Dave (Mod Duties)--- Oh wait, not a mod... :(
Thanks Dave.
But realistically Shael, ignoring the fact that Zep has tried to ruin the game and whatnot, those two did equal, if not more, insulting. Mainly Ungatt, I'd like to see him gagged, and night wolf atleast warned. Firetooth has gotten on my nerves too with the constant pessimism.
Trying to be completely unbiased here; in any other situation two people going at eachother like that would result in both of them receiving the penalty.
I didnt say his mom OD'd on oxi clean that was all ungatt
You were pestering him and egging him on enough to make him reply to everything you said though.
precisely why you should be getting a warning.
Night Wolf, you are hereby warned to not make any further personal attacks.
There, now I'll wait for someone else before taking things into my own hands.
This whole discussion just makes the decisions of the administrators seem arbitrary. I think its highly unprofessional for you guys to even post on this topic considering your presence here is an admission that you acquiesce to any and all decisions made by those who own/run/build the game.
I'm sure there are proper channels that dont make us all look so silly. Calling others out in public and playing the blame game isnt the way to do things.
Come on guys.
I apologies for what I did...
For the record, I have heard swearing in PG-13 movies and they bicker and insult people all the time in them. From my point of view, it was trash talking at its finest. Both parties participated, so both should suffer the same punishment. Talk such as what they did is tolerated at NWO, so i am going to have to get use to these forums i guess. THere is nothing more fun that insulting someone because they failed to kill you or something. Sure they might have killed me 5 times before that, but i can still insult them because of that one time.
Like i said i am new here, but why would Zep continue to play if he wants to ruin the game? Maybe what you guys call ruining the game, he calls enjoying the game. People get enjoyment out of things in different ways.
Neo, take a look at the topic that sparked this banning.
It sickens me that it was allowed to carry on that far, and further sickens me that only the "bad guy" was punished. I have every right to state that I had a problem with the onesidedness of the decision, and have equal rights to state to Shael that I disagree with this in public; atleast they know they could possibly get the same punishment.
On another note, I am in no way demeaning Shaels authority or decision, I just think she overlooked what happened.
Then again, I can only read what is still posted, and I don't know if Zep went even further and posted things that Shael had to delete. Thus, I wait for her.
It annoyed me too, and I spoke to a couple folks about it. But this isnt the place.
Quote from: Neobaron on June 29, 2009, 02:06:26 AM
This whole discussion just makes the decisions of the administrators seem arbitrary. I think its highly unprofessional for you guys to even post on this topic considering your presence here is an admission that you acquiesce to any and all decisions made by those who own/run/build the game.
I'm sure there are proper channels that dont make us all look so silly. Calling others out in public and playing the blame game isnt the way to do things.
Come on guys.
Freedom of speech?
Anyway, i am unprofessional. This is a GAME, why should i act all serious in it? It is a place to escape from the real world, take on a different persona. Why can't someone make a butt of themselves if they want to? Not to mention if it wasnt for the people, the admins wouldnt have anything to do anyway. Its in my nature to complain.
What more suitable place to discuss the events than the topic that explains it?
Rick, we are all able to insult eachother to a degree, but surely you can understand that since this site is based off a childrens series, we are to keep the swears minimal / nonexistant, and try to insult eachother with silly names related to vermin.
You also have to take into consideration that Snare IS a Global Moderator, so he really does have the right to post in this topic, more so then you and I.
And BigRick, you can call this a game but people have worked hard to provide you with this game, and none of the people that worked hard want to see this turn into a hellhole because some people want to be jerks and ruin everything. Hence why the admins need to do their jobs with gagging and warnings. I know its a place for people to go away from real life, but just because they are an angry little child doesn't mean they have to take it out on members of the RWL Community.
Quote from: The Lady Shael on June 29, 2009, 12:40:02 AM
The member Zeppelin has been banned from the forums for a week, for repeated swearing in-game and forums, provoking other members, insulting other members, and generally being downright disagreeable.
Just so you know snare me and Ungatt were only Guilty of 2 of the 4 things that zep got banned for(or as far as I know) neither of us have swore and were not being downright disagreeable. We may have provoked him a wee little bit and I hardly insulted him.
If you stop thinking in terms of freedom as something you're entitled to rather than as a responsibility you have to other people then you will understand my point. If your reality is such that you need to come here and make others miserable then there is probably a good reason why those others should take the initiative to protect their fun.
Your fun should never come at the expense of someone elses, and no its not a sensitivity issue. This is a place for fun, not unabated douchebaggery.
You new folks need to lurk more before you start making suggestions or deciding whats acceptable in our realm.
Either way, an admin has made a decision. If there is a problem, the PM function is, I believe, active on this board.
Dave - people have their playing style based on what they find fun. No one can argue the fact that some people enjoy ruining other peoples fun, nor can we force them to chose another way in this game.
Night Wolf - I do realize this, but to be completely frank with you that is why I suggested warnings and gaggings as opposed to straight up bannings like Zep got. I know (you not so much, Ungatt moreso) you guys knew you were in the wrong, and further provoked him.
Neo- I did not intend to spark an uprising like this, but I disagree with the decision and as it is not a secret change in the code or a private matter at all, I chose to post my feelings here and offer suitable solutions. I for one know that if you were the one banned you would want some closure on the other offenders aswell.
I was relating to the forums more so the game, Snare.
Quote from: Neobaron on June 29, 2009, 02:19:29 AM
If you stop thinking in terms of freedom as something you're entitled to rather than as a responsibility you have to other people then you will understand my point. If your reality is such that you need to come here and make others miserable then there is probably a good reason why those others should take the initiative to protect their fun.
Your fun should never come at the expense of someone elses, and no its not a sensitivity issue. This is a place for fun, not unabated douchebaggery.
You new folks need to lurk more before you start making suggestions or deciding whats acceptable in our realm.
Either way, an admin has made a decision. If there is a problem, the PM function is, I believe, active on this board.
Once again, it is my responisbility to let you know that i am allowed to say what i want on the forums regardless if i am new or not as long as it is within the rules of the forums which as far as i know i have no crossed.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how long they have been or havent been playing. I can make suggestions if i want. Its my right. I'm allowed to disagree with you. I can disagree with the admins too. Whoopdy doo. Have a cookie.
I'm not one to lurk. I either jump right in or i dont jump at all. This post does not have anything to do with the original one and i have nothing else to say about it either. So I will stop posting here.
He was bashing the game, so I told him to stop. Then he suggested I go start begging and die on the street. You expect me to just ignore that? And go ahead and ban me I'm leaving today anyway.
Zeppelin set out to annoy people here and push things as far as he could. He hit the wall and got banned for it. Maybe when he comes back he will have learned a bit from it. I doubt it, but maybe. The others were responding to provocation - it is clear that, while Zep will keep acting as he did without come kind of check, Night WOlf and Ungatt are happy spamming at a PG-13 level when there aren't people like that around to set them off. Which is why Zep got the banstick, and the others didn't. One size fits all justice works best in a community of thousands, but here where everyone knows everyone else, determinations like this can be made ands still be perfectly fair. You did a lot of swearing ingame as well, Cody, so if NW and Ungatt get a gag, then in the interest of fairness you should as well, and mods getting gagged are a bad thing. Which is why we have a staff forum to work out issues where you disagree with an admin's decision. In fact, I do believe that we are specifically requested to post in the staff forum if we disagree with an admin decision, so maybe you could post there to work it out.
Quote from: Wolf Snare on June 29, 2009, 01:59:42 AM
Thanks Dave.
But realistically Shael, ignoring the fact that Zep has tried to ruin the game and whatnot, those two did equal, if not more, insulting. Mainly Ungatt, I'd like to see him gagged, and night wolf atleast warned. Firetooth has gotten on my nerves too with the constant pessimism.
Trying to be completely unbiased here; in any other situation two people going at eachother like that would result in both of them receiving the penalty.
Because Zeppelin constantly annoys me to know ends and phails at trolling epicly.
Wolf Snare I have often had my doubts about whether your staff decisions are in the right but I have never spoken out.
Even after (assuming you were my desolate plauge) you swore at Daryn ingame, so assuming you were, keep it pg 13 gauise ::)
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn II on June 29, 2009, 05:16:46 AM
He was bashing the game, so I told him to stop. Then he suggested I go start begging and die on the street. You expect me to just ignore that? And go ahead and ban me I'm leaving today anyway.
Snare if he told you to die on the street you'd go balistic, you know it.
Now lets all forget this ever happened and hope Zep doesn't come back(but we don't seem to be very luckly lately)
Zeppelin is what you call a troll-a being who's either bored or justr downright sad who goes on websites sheerly to provoke people. The fact you are defending him Snare is quite beyond my graps.
And Night Wolf and Ungatt were provoked by
Apparently and fortunately, i have successfully stayed out of this Zep business. My sister likes to watch me play Rwl, and if she saw the messages that Zep writes, she'll go ballistic and probably hack into my account and spam his inbox....luckliy, that didnt happen
QuoteMaybe what you guys call ruining the game, he calls enjoying the game. People get enjoyment out of things in different ways.
Well Rick, I'm sure griefers and campers and vultchers and all the other people that are regularly complained about in games like CounterStrike also call what they do "enjoying the game", but at the cost of RUINING everyone else's enjoyment of the game. That is basically what I equate Zep's behavior too in this past round of Turbo.
Zep could've a really good player if he didn't use his skills for evil that isn't fun.
Quote from: Mr.Grimm on June 29, 2009, 04:44:52 PM
Zep could've a really good player if he didn't use his skills for evil that isn't fun.
true
i know some really annoying players on diablo2
we have dueling and when you die, all your items drop onto your body so that you get no bonuses and are more vulnerable
unfortunately, there are some people who kill people when they try to get their corpses
Quote from: Firetooth on June 29, 2009, 10:45:16 AM
Because Zeppelin constantly annoys me to know ends and phails at trolling epicly.
based on that reasoning
you should be banned Firetooth
along with all your other forum accounts
Quote from: Gorak on June 29, 2009, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on June 29, 2009, 10:45:16 AM
Because Zeppelin constantly annoys me to know ends and phails at trolling epicly.
based on that reasoning
you should be banned Firetooth
along with all your other forum accounts
I don't troll but I accept I should've been banned a few times but I'm loved by the forum goers :-*
My point is zep went out to annoy people and make the game suck for others, I have never done something like that purposefully.
Zep was the kind of guy who went to cause trouble. He wasn't a newbie who didn't know the rules or anything, he just wanted make it hard for other players. Firetooth just has a gift of doing that without meaning too.
Quote from: Firetooth on June 30, 2009, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: Gorak on June 29, 2009, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on June 29, 2009, 10:45:16 AM
Because Zeppelin constantly annoys me to know ends and phails at trolling epicly.
based on that reasoning
you should be banned Firetooth
along with all your other forum accounts
I don't troll but I accept I should've been banned a few times but I'm loved by the forum goers :-*
My point is zep went out to annoy people and make the game suck for others, I have never done something like that purposefully.
And now that is all going to end I intend to kill anyone who tries to ruin the game for others I think this has gone on to long and now I will end it
Oh my. So serious. It's fun to have wars and a villain or two, but I would like a peaceful round this time.
QuoteAnd now that is all going to end I intend to kill anyone who tries to ruin the game for others I think this has gone on to long and now I will end it
Typhon, we did kill him, multiple times in fact. He just relifed and kept on doing the same thing. So unless you intend to spend the entire round killing him every time he relifes, I suggest you just leave him alone and don't respond to him.
Yeah I agree with volkov leave him alone and ignore him and maybe he'll leave. He got killed like 10 times last round and it didnt do any good.
No it did some good, it made me laugh every time.
This is true I too lauged every time I saw his name in red but he still kept comming back so in that sense it did no good.
it was funny how zep died and took his troops with him
It was funny until the 4th time. Then it got old.
Quote from: Mr.Grimm on June 30, 2009, 03:11:09 PM
Zep was the kind of guy who went to cause trouble. He wasn't a newbie who didn't know the rules or anything, he just wanted make it hard for other players. Firetooth just has a gift of doing that without meaning too.
LOL!
yeah it got boring after the 3rd time I killed that incompetent idiot
This thread is no longer on topic and will be locked if it continues. Zep is gone for a while, let's stop talking about him.
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