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I am a Canadian living in the U.S. I mean, I still root for the Canadians in the Olympics and stuff, but the country is really just a whiney wuss haven So, Im kind of torn on the "Invade Canada" idea. It might help a lot if Canada got a girlslap from the U.S, cause they have been biting the hand that feeds them for a long time. But without a sovereign Canada, the Winter Olympics would be a lot less fun to watch. You can see the quandry I am in.
Canadians define themselves by comparing themselves to the U.S. Canada has a noble history, but anything admirable really eroded away in the last few decades. They take advantage of the protection provided by the U.S., and then weakly snipe at the U.S. from behind the sheild. They are driven by a raging inferiority complex. Classic small dog who likes to yap at the big dog. Because they can not compete with the U.S. head to head, they elect to define themselves as the opposite of whatever the U.S. does.
They argue that the fact that the government forces "diversity", or the utter lack of unifying culture, on them is a strength. They asininely contend that liberal political opinions are part of being Canadian."Free speech" is centrally orchestrated and govenmentally protected, to the extent it is consistent with the approved ideals of "democracy, diversity, and tolerance", no firmly held convictions allowed, unless you are an iconoclast, Francophone, or racial or religious minority. Because the U.S. does not have to kiss their collective behind, Canadians complain about the alleged smug superiority of Americans. And on this basis, ironically, they believe themselves to be superior to Americans.
I love Canada, but for crying out loud,

Quoteit sucks.

It is really unnecessary to invade it. They will not fight back. They will just write angry letters and vote to raise taxes. I suggest the U.S. just ignore Canada and not dignify its whining for awhile. Canadians will go mental, and riot in the streets just to get some attention. Ottawa will beg the U.S. to help restore order, and the U.S. will agree to help on the condition that Canada join the Union. Couple more weeks of ignoring them, followed by a series of compliments regarding their clean streets and lovely national anthem, and they will do anything the U.S. asks.
To preserve the dignity of the Winter Olympics, however, Canada should be made a "Dominion," rather than a State, with a right to send its own contingent of curlers and hockey players.

-A Good ol Beaver Gone South to Warmer Weather

 That was the most ignorant thing I have ever read, he didn't even provide proof to back his false conclusions, my guess would be because he has none.  Provide evidence for me to refute and I'll go upside your head with so many facts that it'll make your head spin.  This ignorant "Rant" is offensive to me.

 Too bad, not my rant.

He is a Canadian/

Quote from: ~>John<~Too bad, not my rant.

He is a Canadian/

There are still ignorant Canadians (He sounds Albertan to me :D ), albeit not many :P , but he is still horribly wrong, I bet the years in America has gotten to his head.

 Again from source

Hey
Whoever wrote this site is hillarious. I'm Canadian... but secretly, I wish I was American. Dang free health care... and French people? Qu'est que c'est ca?
ANyways... nice work on the site.
Peace out
-Ellis Island Beaver




I am canadian and all this ... about canadians burning down things and the USA killing things is still besides the point the white house was burnt down like a million years ago sence then the US bought a stealth bomber that can wipe out our capital and all we go was more horses. i mean comon. where would we retreat to the northwest territory yeah and then we would all die form the cold. smooth fellow moose heads. if they invaded us we wouldnt no what hit us. I am so tired of listing to my bitter fellow canadians bark about how tough we are and how we could beat the ... out of America. we still have the queen of england on our coins but i thought we got over england 1000 years ago. i guess we didnt.

-That's My Beaver!


I think what we learned here today is that the Canadian is a small, furry creature that responds instinctively by burning houses when provoked, much like the common beaver.
- Yay! Beaver~


They're just a little too proud
Perhaps if they didn't think it was so cool to live in "Diet America" we wouldn't need to invade them, but with people like this guy and these people thinking that Canada is the coolest thing since sliced bread, we need to do our part to keep them in their place. There's a reason the continent is called "North America" and not "North Canada".

They stole our basketball teams
Since when does the "N.B.A." stand for "Canadians Can Play Too". We need to get Vancouver and Toronto annexed into America to preserve the "N".




According to a World Health Organization report, life expectancy at birth in Canada is 79.8 years versus 77.3 in the US.

The bad news is, they have to spend the extra 2 1/2 years living in Canada.

 there are 30 million Canadians, you can't go into a page with opinions and claim it as fact.  Here's a better idea, read history or come live here for a few months.  The first person was bigotist towards le Quebecois, Bigotry is the staple of the ignorant.  The second person was confusing and obviously terrible at history, using time frames in the 1000's and millions when America is only 200 and some years old and Canada will be 137 this year.  This is like reading the editorials in a newspaper for your facts.

 Supposed to be a joke Juby :)


Though I like my new avi and images

 it's odd how it says vote republican to stop terrorism, according to Richard Clarke's new book, the Clinton administration was handleing Al Queda and Bush and the republican party put it on the back burner and thus 9/11 happened.  In fact their is a major inquiry on the Bush's mishandling of the terrorist threat leading up to 9/11, looks like the democrats were doing a better job....

 rofl @ superiority

John you should come to Canada and meet Vanier's Finest.

 

Quote from: Juby (Tercios)it's odd how it says vote republican to stop terrorism, according to Richard Clarke's new book, the Clinton administration was handleing Al Queda and Bush and the republican party put it on the back burner and thus 9/11 happened.  In fact their is a major inquiry on the Bush's mishandling of the terrorist threat leading up to 9/11, looks like the democrats were doing a better job....

Actually, Clarke stopped several efforts for the U.S. to get rid of Osama.



I know about my own country. The Dems did nothing

Quote from: ~>John<~Actually, Clarke stopped several efforts for the U.S. to get rid of Saddam.



I know about my own country. The Dems did nothing

uhh that made no sense, Al Quaeda hates Saddam because he made Iraq a secular nation, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  The democrats went after the terrorists.

 Um.. yeah... bout the whole canada thing.. *Shakes head*

As to Clarke.. well yes, the Bush Administration did put it on the back burner, but so did the Clinton Adminstration, you guys are forgetting all the attacks on us while Clinton was president, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings in a multitude of countries, etc. And John really needs to get more informed.... he is really giving republicans a bad name.

 Excuse me for saying Saddam. I meant Osama, and actually my theories are better then yours.

The whole Canada thing is a joke

 According to his book and what is coming out in the panel is that Clarke was pushing to get Osama made a priority with the Bush Regime, further the efforts the clinton government had started when the Al Queda threat showed itself in the late 90's.  However Bush seemed to continually ignore that threat and focus on Saddam.
edit: I don't see anyone laughing but I do see some angry Canadians who are offended.

 I think that the United States could easily invade Canada, and it would help a lot with all that land.  First step in taking over the world, ya know. XD

Quote from: NohcnonkI think that the United States could easily invade Canada, and it would help a lot with all that land.  First step in taking over the world, ya know. XD

QuoteThere's a reason the continent is called "North America" and not "North Canada".

HAHAHAHA, that's the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Man, who writes this .... Does that mean "South America" has anything to do with the States too? :lol:

ANYWAYZ, check the history. Canada has been much better in wars and fighting all in the past. The War of 1812, Canada kicked U.S. ..., WW1 and WW2, Canada was involved from the start.

Heh, the U.S. is lucky they won the War of Independence (Britain was ending the Napeolonic war at the time)

Man, Canada KICKS American ...

 O_____O  WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!! :ph34r: :blink: :unsure:

The Americans could whoop on Canada. Rofl! :lol:  

 That was funny.

Canada's got nothing on the U.S.A.

 Being a Canadian, I am slightly offended by this, but I am actually finding it quite funny. THIS is the way I see things... (no offence to the americans out there, only a Joke)


CaNaDa

Finally a joke that explains what it's like to be Canadian...
Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven, God went missing for six days.
Eventually, Michael the archangel found him, resting on the seventh day. He
inquired of God, "Where have you been?" God sighed a deep sigh of
satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look
Michael, look what I've made."
Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said, "What is it?" "It's a planet,"
replied God, "and I've put LIFE on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's
going to be a place of great balance." "Balance?" inquired Michael, still
confused. God explained, pointing to different parts of Earth, "For example,
Northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth while
Southern Europe is going to be poor; the Middle East over there will be a
hot spot. Over there I've placed a continent of white people and over there
is a continent of black people," God continued, pointing to different
countries. "This one will be extremely hot and arid while this one will be
very cold and covered in ice."
The Archangel, impressed by Gods work, then pointed to a large landmass in
the top corner and asked, "What's that one?" "Ah," said God. "That's
Canada, the most glorious place on Earth. There are beautiful mountains,
lakes, rivers, streams and an exquisite coastline. The people from Canada
are going to be modest, intelligent and humorous and they're going to be
found travelling the world. They'll be extremely sociable, hard working and
high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats and
carriers of peace. I'm also going to give them super-human, undefeatable ice
hockey players who will be admired and feared by all who come across them."
Michael gasped in wonder and admiration but then proclaimed; "What about
balance, God? You said there will be BALANCE!" God replied wisely. "Wait
until you see the loud-mouth :EDIT:(censored):EDIT: I'm putting next to them...."

haha, I'm just playing, I got a laugh out of it though...

 you could easily occupy us, but you couldn't possibly keep your eyes on us, like you said were just so huge, theirs everywhere to hide.  It would be an insane guerrilla war, cause their are plenty of weapons in Canada, we just are more open to the concept of registration and are very agianst to carrying them or having them in cars and such.  you could probably take every major city in a matter of days but think of the problems your having in Iraq, Canada has more people then Iraq, way more space to hide, plenty of weapons, plenty of money to get better weapons, very educated population thus making us more resourceful and clever, able to create more powerful weapons then just a big pile of dynamite or a molotov cocktail, we could easily get into the US over such a long border and commit terrorist attacks in response to an evil and unjustified invasion.  On Top of that, most of the world gave you the finger when you took down an evil dictator, imagine what would happen if you invaded one of the greatest and most peaceful nations in the world.  Plain and simply, give us a few years and you'd be runnin for your lives back to the states.
edit: THAT"S HILARIOUS WOLF SNARE, now that is a joke in god taste  :lol:  

 

Quotecan't we all just get along?

*knows what will happen next*

Quote from: The Emperor

HAHAHAHA, that's the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Man, who writes this .... Does that mean "South America" has anything to do with the States too? :lol:

ANYWAYZ, check the history. Canada has been much better in wars and fighting all in the past. The War of 1812, Canada kicked U.S. ..., WW1 and WW2, Canada was involved from the start.

Heh, the U.S. is lucky they won the War of Independence (Britain was ending the Napeolonic war at the time)

Man, Canada KICKS American ...

WHOOOOHAHAHAHAHA,

We won the war of 1812. We won both WWI and WWII where our allies would have lost without us

 how did you win the war of 1812, you didn't gain any land, you couldn't, and win the british finished up with Napoleon they came over and smacked the heck out of you.
And you wussied out of both WWI and WWII till half way through...

 ACTUALLY, the war of 1812 ended in a treaty, peoples. However, the Americans effecively beat the Brits, as the British had a superior navy and evrything, and et they still had to resort to a treaty. And America DID gain some land in the treaty. Emperor, I'm doing my best to interprit your post so that it doesn't sound like you're an idiot... *fails* Canada's military is quite inferior to America's, Canada would have lost WWI and WWII if it weren't for us, and there was no "luck" about the war of independance. The idiotic peoples fighting us stood there in a nice line in their target-uniforms, while we killed them.  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  

 Note about Revolution:
Actually, the British had Jagers (German Mercenaries) who were better woodsmen than even the best American sniper at the time. Britain lost mainly because they were horribly under-supplied. At no one time were there any more than 50,000 troops in the entire continent of America to guard a rebellious population and an area of like, what? 3,000,000 square miles? The Royal Forces didn't stand a chance against the Colonies after about 3 years into the war. There was simply too much space to guard, as America would also find out if it ever attempted an invasion of Canada.

I highly doubt, however, the probability of rebellions like there are in Iraq. Iraqis are united by Religion (Islam, which can be, and usually is, a highly militant beleif), whereas Canadians are not. The only unifying thing they have is their country, and even that is quite a shaky thing to fight for in Canada, there being so many different political parties with radically different beleifs. Isn't there even a separatist movement in Quebec or something?

The War of 1812?
HA! It ended in a stalemate (Like Kueller said), and besides, Canada was just a colony of the British Crown in those days. That's like Australia feeling all high and mighty over France because they "kicked France's behind in the Napoeleonic Wars". Do you not see the ridiculousness of the situation?

Jube, Emperor, JUST because you were involved in WWII from the start doesn't mean you can claim that you're better at fighting wars than the Americans are. If you take a look at the satistics, I think (I don't know) that the Americans spent, lost, and gained MUCH more than the Canadians in WWII, if not both wars.

And I think you shouldn't be jabbing at us for "wussying" out of the two world wars, Juby. After all, do you not dislike us as well for waging war against a ruthless dictator in Iraq? What do you want America to be, pacifists or war-wagers?


EDIT:

QuoteHeh, the U.S. is lucky they won the War of Independence (Britain was ending the Napeolonic war at the time)

The Napoleonic Wars was from about 1796 to 1814, almost 25 years AFTER the Revolutionary War. Sure, things were tense between England and France, but no war broke out until the Revolution.

 uhhh Kueller, basically every war ends in a treaty, world war I, treaty of versailles? remember that?  The Americans were the agressors in the War of 1812, were unable to successfully take Canada, then the british came and pounded the snot out of them, forced them to the negotiating table, and when it was clear that America was going to have to pay for their agression, the americans started to yell status quo ante bellum, which mean let's go back to the way it was before the war, the british tired and hurting at the bank from all these wars agreed, check your history kueller.
We could just as easily say that you would not have won in the pacific theatre of world War II without the british intellegence macarthur used and being able to base out of nearby austrailia, and in the European theatre, people were revolting in some areas (yugoslavia would succesfully unoccupy itself without needing to be liberated by the red army like the rest of eastern Europe and the Red army was gaining momentum after germans failed to take moscow, stalingrad and leningrad in 1943/4.  and The english had won the war for aerial supremecy a little earlier in the war on their own and plans were being setup.  I don't deny America's contribution, we could have lost without your help but it's not a rescue situation, you can't take all the credit for a war because your support put us over the top, If Britian and her commonwealth didn't declare war when poland was invaded america would have lost too if they still joined in 1941, it's a mute point, you taking all the credit for a war you didn't join in till 2 years in sullies and tarnishes the memories of all those who died making sure that the war was not over by 1941, that's taking all respect from those that contributed more to war from it's outset.  As for World War I, in 1917 when America joined, the tide had already started turning, oddly enough by Canadians, General McCurries storming of Vimy Ridge and the use of Canadian forces as Crack troops was proving amazingly successful and it got to the point were the Germans moral would drop signifacantly if they knew they were fighting the Canadians. America just sped up the resolve of World War I.

 sorry bout double posting but just say general Austins comments:
In Iraq, I don't believe war was necessary, In World War II (not so much WWI) war was definatly necessary, Nazi Germany (notice I say Nazi Germany and not germany germany, don't act like I'm talking about germans as a people or equating germans with nazi's cause that's why I made sure to put Nazi Germany) had to be stopped because they were going for world domination and were commiting genocide against jews, slavs, roma (gypsies) etc..
As for Canada getting invaded, you act as though religious fervour is the only thing that can lead to guerrilla warfare which is dead wrong, the Quebecois would fight even harder then the rest of us because the Quebecois culture would not survive in the american system, america refuses to make biligingual services for hispanic people who are more numerous then the Quebecois would be if in America, you just ignored all my other points on guerrila war strenghts and said were right cause your not religious enough, which is not a good enough arguement.

 HAHAHAHA!

Ok

It was Britain. They were fighting on British soil. Yea. Not Canadian

We would of had controll Canada anyways without that traitor Benedict Arnold

Note that it was British evidence, not Canadian.

Also, a comment you made makes think that Albertans are the smart ones then?

You WOULD have lost without our help, not could.
We don't "sullie" them, it just took that long to get the paciifists to realize [from pearl harbor] why we needed to go in

 Dam...I knew this would make me sound dumb. I wasn't quite finished my post, and I had to go, so I posted the half of it anywayz. So here's the rest:

Basically, I summed up that Canada has had a better miltary history than the States in major wars. However, Canada has decided that peacekeeping would do more good for the world than a miltary. We rely on the States, and that's one of the reasons we can get away without a huge miltary. Of course Canada can get easily taken over by the U.S., I NEVER said they couldn't (you guys enjoy putting words in my mouth). In fact, if the U.S. invaded Canada, I don't think ther would be much resistance. HOWEVER, IF the U.S. DARED to invade Canada, the rest of the world wouldn't just ignore it. The U.N. would not stand for it, Britain would be involved, and many other countries. I don't think the U.S. would dare touch Canada...they would have no reason other than "they want their resources." That would not go over well. As you can see, this whole "joke" is exactly that. I say, give it a rest war hawks!

On a side note, the War of 1812 was started completely by the Americans. You should re-check your history. You may even find the reason, which can be summed up by the word "manifest destiny." We kicked your ... and burned down the White House

Even if they were British, they were still on Canadian soil fighting for Canada (wasn't its own country at the time, but my point is the battle was not in Britain).

 Three expectant fathers, an American, a Jamaican, and a Canadian, were in the hospital waiting room. A doctor comes in and announces that he has some good news and some bad news, "The good news is that you each are the father of a healthy baby boy. The bad news is that we've mixed them up." The three new fathers walk into the nursery. The American guy goes right to the Jamaican baby, picks him up and starts rocking him. "What are you doing?" the Jamaican guy asks, "That is obviously my son."

"I know," said the American guy, "but I didn't want to accidentally get the Canadian kid."


An Englishman, a Canadian and an American were captured by terrorists.

The terrorist leader said: "Before we shoot you, you will be allowed last words. Please let me know what you wish to talk about."

The Englishman replied: "I wish to speak of loyalty and service to the crown."

The Canadian replied: "Since you are involved in a question of national purpose, national identity, and secession, I wish to talk about the history of constitutional process in Canada, special status, distinct society and uniqueness within diversity."

The American replied: "Just shoot me before the Canadian starts talking."




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Newfoundland's Worst Air Disaster occurred today when a small two-seater Cessna 152 plane crashed into a cemetery early this afternoon in central Newfoundland.

Newfie search and rescue workers have recovered 300 bodies so far and expect that number to climb as digging continues into the evening

 Wow.. people with only a modicum of knowledge about history arguing passionately over something that would never happen in the first place. This is hilarious. However, I do suggest you all do a little fact checking, Austin's post was the closest to spot on.. but even he is a little off the mark. I would love to explain all of it.. but the post would be too darn long. Suffice to say, Canada had nowhere near the involvment that America did in any of the wars mentioned, and the Allies would have definitely lost the Second World War if America hadn't joined in, and possibly the first as well. Also, the war of 1812 was started by Americans, but it was provoked by the British refusing to recognize our independence and impressing our sailors into the British Navy. And America did gain land in that war, the upper part of Maine, to be exact.

 A) In the The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783(the treaty that ended the war of American Independance), America agreed to compensate the peaceful loyalists (ie the average guys who said they supported britian, not the ones that fought) who had had their entire livelyhood destroyed simply because of their beleifs by the american army, most of these loyalist still facing persecution for their left for Canada and it was agreed that the American government would give the money to the new colonies in upper canada (ontario) to help them establish themselves, and this was alot of money, however america decided never to pay, this was a reason Britian was treating america poorly because they were being deadbeats, after the war, with Status Quo Ante Bellum, the americans still didn't pay so technically with the late fee interest, you would owe us a HUGE sum of money, or we could just foreclose on your land  :P .  
B) World War I would have been won with our without the US, Germany was under huge turmoil at home and the tide had been turned on the front, Canada played a huge role in the war too, Vimy Ridge, Passchendale, battles of Ypres, the hundred days of advance, etc. etc.
C) World War II would have probably been lost without america, but it probably would have been lost even more so without Britain and the commonwealth and without Russia.  You saying that you saved is a terrible thing to say as if you were more important to the war even though you came in late.  Britain contributed more then america and was their from day one, they sacrificed the most, britain couldn't have won that without America and russia no more then america and russia could have won without Britain, it is an insult to the british commonwealth to take credit for winning that war when you put the allied forces over the top of what was necessary, it is being a glory hog and disgraces the memory of the Commonwealth soldiers.

John, how do you like these factually based jokes:
What's the difference between Americans and the everyone else in the World?
About 250 pounds (an estimated 58% (that's so high it sounds fake but is actually true) of americans suffer from obeseity)
A real life story, completely accurate:
An american warships messages Canada, "Canadian ship, we are on a collision course, change your course by at least 5 degrees" "American ship, we cannot comply, you must change your course be- (interrupted)" " Canadian ship, Change your Course NOW" "American Ship, YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR COURSE, WE-"  "CANADIAN SHIP, WE WILL USE PHYSICAL FORCE IF YOU DO NOT CHANGE YOUR COURSE" "*laughs* Use all the force you want, but you should know, this is a lighthouse"
that happened only a few years ago

 

Quote(clears throat)
Hey.
I'm not a lumberjack,
or a fur trader...
and I don't live in an igloo
or eat blubber, or own a dogsled...
and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada,
although I'm certain they're really, really nice.

I have a Prime Minister,
not a President.
I speak English and French,
NOT American.
and I pronouce it ABOUT,
NOT A BOOT.

I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
I believe in peace keeping, NOT policing.
DIVERSITY, NOT assimilation,
AND THAT THE BEAVER IS A TRULY PROUD AND NOBLE ANIMAL.
A TOQUE IS A HAT,
A CHESTERFIELD IS A COUCH,
AND IT IS PRONOUCED 'ZED' NOT 'ZEE', 'ZED'!

CANADA IS THE SECOND LARGEST LANDMASS!
THE FIRST NATION OF HOCKEY!
AND THE BEST PART OF NORTH AMERICA!

I AM CANADIAN!

I think that just about sums it up. :D

Look at past history, for four centuries Canada has stayed separate from the US. And it will continue to do so thank you very much.

May I remind you all that thanks to NAFTA economically there are no borders between Canada and the US? We've from being part of the French Empire, to the British Empire to a part of the American Empire. Considering the amount of American investment in Canada we don't really 'own' our country. However we are still independent politically and we have a distinctive  culture.

 Thats a classic commercial, Myrakel...

Juby, what you said is exactly right. Volkov...believe or not, by saying that we have no idea what we're talking about, and then making a statement that is obviously not true, that doesn't have a good image. Plain and simple: you said: "Canada had nowhere near the involvment that America did in any of the wars mentioned." Did we not talk about World War 1, or did you just leave that out :rolleyes: Check Juby's post to see what I mean, as The U.S. just quickened the war AT THE END, the Canadians FOUGHT the war alongside Franch, Britain, and Russia (for the most part).

I think this conversation is done...

 I'm just wondering a couple things, if germany was gonna lose WWI why did america join at all? Secondly, in WWII you were just focusing on the european theater, while the us fought basically by itself in the pacific theater. The US had 2 fronts. The British had the African front I guess, but was that really a big deal? No, because Germany was on 2 fronts unlike Japan. Without the production of war machines coming from the US WWII would have been lost. I think we would have won even without the Russians though it would have taken alot longer. Had Hitler and the Nazis had the kind of prodcution the usa had Germany would have won. All in my opinion. Whats this about the US owing canada money? Lol, I'd like to see Canada try to do anything. We'd just have to shut down trade and you guys would be begging for mercy, mad-cow scares already have hurt canada alot. Or we could send like 3000 marines and whipe you out.

 Juska, shakes head, Britain, Austrailia, and Canada (a noteable battle we fought the japanese early in the war trying to hold Hong Kong)were all active in the Pacific.  Once again you try and take all the credit.  Germany did have very advanced technology and great means of production too, USA wasn't this god awfully massive production machine, althought impressive, the main advantage they had was that they didn't have to worry about being bombed which is something Britain, Russia and Germany all had to deal with.
The Canadian armed forces are amoung the best in the world in training, one problem is our equitment is usually a little outdated but theirs a reason we makeup such a disproportionate number of the UN peace keeping
force, the UN has very high standerds for their peace keeping force.  I beleive we have a military of 100 000 - 150 000 of very well trained forces, not very impressive but 3000 troops would get ruined, and I already said i twould be easy to occupy us, read the whole topic before you post, go back and read what I wrote on the potential for guerrilla warfare.  Mad Cow hurt cattle farmers, that's about it, the economy is still very strong because we are a high tech based economy, like 50 000 of the 30 million canadians are in trouble cause of that, that's not all that much.  No one in the world would stand for America invading a country because american didn't feel like paying it's debts.

 The US only joined the World Wars when they became directly affected.
It took almost three years for them to join WWI. (Entered in April 1917, began in mid 1914.) Their entry was due to Germany declaring certain areas as war zones and sinking US ships with their subs. Previously, the US was neutral. By the time they got things swinging, it was the closing months of the war. Germany was almost out of resources and men by then.

In WWII, Dec 7, 1941 was Pearl Harbour. Which you all know about, anyway. WWII began in 1939. Well over two years late.

I don't think there's so much to boast about.

Quote from: Juby (Tercios)No one in the world would stand for America invading a country because american didn't feel like paying it's debts.

But you also have to think, who could stand against it, and who actually would of those countries strong enough? And of those countries, we could defeat them. We have superiority on the ground, air, and sea, with better trained forces and number superiority.

 Thanks Volkov, thats what I meant when I said Britain was the aggressor

 -cannot help but laugh-
John, your signature...  :lol: .  Yeesh, like a bunch of men who look like thugs standing around, and a particularly ugly one looking like an -censored word- pointing a finger at me is going to make me vote republican... like h-ell.

Anyway, I lived in America for about seven years.  I've lived in Canada for two years.  I like it in Canada better.  And also, why is this topic called 'The truth about Canada'?  I see no revelations of the truth here - only pointless arguments.  The fact - no, the truth is:
A.  America will NOT invade Canada, just because some smart-aleck of a boy/teenager says they should, because you know what, you're not the president .
B.  Canada may have a corrupt and stupid political system, but at least they don't have a COMPLETE disregard for civil rights.  And please, if you say Bush doesn't, just look at the PATRIOT Act and all the people who are currently being detained God knows where without any charges against them, and no legal representation.

 when was Britain the Aggressor? In the War Of 1812 you owed us a big pile of money and then invaded us, yet britain was the agressor for searching for deserters on American ships, which happened very rarely, the principal of doing it is still wrong but a deadbeat(deadbeat as in not paying the money you owe) nation can't exactly complain about morals.
Death Claw, the world could take the US, don't exxagerate your greatness, heck, if the commonwealth rallied up for us ( http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Templates/I...sp?NodeID=20724
that's a list of member countires, Britian, India, Pakistan, Austrailia are nothing to scoff at) and We are also a member of the Francaphone "commonwealth" type thing which bring France into it and quite a few other notable nations.  Just because your the biggest, don't act like your god awfully so massive that your bigger then everyone combined, your just the biggest, a few strong countires together would match you.

 

Quote from: DeathclawBut you also have to think, who could stand against it, and who actually would of those countries strong enough? And of those countries, we could defeat them. We have superiority on the ground, air, and sea, with better trained forces and number superiority.

*snort* America would never start a war against Canada. Starting such a war would force other countries, especially those in the Commonwealth to help defend Canada which has historically been a peaceful country. There would be a massive worldwide boycott of everything American, it wouldn't last long but it would tank your economy. Yes, there is no onecountry that could defeat the United States in a strictly military battle. But the American army is stretched as it is. To start a war against Canada would mean a massive draft and the army they?d muster wouldn?t be all that much bigger than ours. Tens of thousands of American casualties for a freezing cold lump of land. Not exactly worth it from your perspective. Anyway, the US benefits by having Canada as a separate country politically as long as it can dominate our economy.

India and Pakistan are superpowers and nuclear powers. At least one of these countries would come to our aid since many Canadians have roots from these countries. Don't underestimate what a possibly nuclear war could do to the US.  

 Actually China could beat the US in conventional war because they have such a huge population. But theres no way either China or US are going to war, because both economies are centered in each others countries. Juby, thanks for the info I didn't know the european and canadian forces fought in the Pacific. About the being bombed part. We'll the US suffered teribly from U-boat topedeoing(sp?) on our merchant vessels. I guess we didn't get bombed, but the germans could have given more time. It's amzing the tech they had, mopst of the german aerospace scientists help the US achive space flight. Too bad Hilter decided to create the master race. Secondly boycotts don't work, when have boycotts on goods significantly hurt someone? People want things there going to get them.

 

QuoteActually China could beat the US in conventional war because they have such a huge population.

Eh? How could China and the US have a conventional war except at sea where having a huge population wouldn't make a difference? Where would it take place if it was on land? Much more likely they'd fire missiles at eachother.  

QuoteWe'll the US suffered teribly from U-boat topedeoing(sp?) on our merchant vessels.

I don't understand that, sorry.

QuoteSecondly boycotts don't work, when have boycotts on goods significantly hurt someone? People want things there going to get them.

The recent American boycott of French goods was rather effective.

 Our merchant vessels were being sunk by german u-boats, aka submarines, and losing there cargo. Understand now? I know we'd fire missles at them, but if we actually fought we'd lose because of their huge population. Fought as in a ground war.

Quote from: Juskabut if we actually fought we'd lose because of their huge population. Fought as in a ground war.

They may havev a huge population, but they would still lose. Not all the civilians would be armed, and our forces would be superior in every way to those Chinese militants and citizens who did fight. We would not lose.

 Deathclaw, theirs a billion people in China and an authoritarian government, they could arm themselves like crazy, if The US started a war between China and them, the american public would go against it ten times more then vietnam, people would not stand for that many people getting conscripted to fight a country with 4 times the people.  And either way, The regular american army is not all that great, it's mostly an program for curbing unemployment, the marines and the seals are amoung the best but an average chinese soldier is just as good as an average american soldier and they are industrializing insanely fast so they would have all the necessary technology (like anti-aircraft missiles and such) and on top of it, China is a massive country with a massive population, you bomb them anywhere, people scream mass civilian murder, and they can operate easily with losses we would consider extreme, like 2 million dead in China would be acceptable, in the US it would be catastrophic.

Quote from: DeathclawThey may havev a huge population, but they would still lose. Not all the civilians would be armed, and our forces would be superior in every way to those Chinese militants and citizens who did fight. We would not lose.

Whoa.... Too much pro-US propaganda goes to the head, doesn't it?

Face it, the US isn't the best in everything. Your equipment... Oh, wait, didn't Jessica Lynch's gun jam when she needed it most?

 It jammed from sand, sheesh. I don't see canada fighting terrorists on a large scale? Did canada liberate Afganistan and Iraq? Did any other country? No! The only Army in the world that has had any large scale military operations since the end of the USSR would be the US and middle eastern countries. England and the rest of the colilition forces have, but nothing that can even compare with the US. About equipment in 1991 we(US) totally destroyed whole Iraqi tank divisions with basically no causulties because we have the best equipment. The army is not a program to curb unemployment, tax cuts are. The army is a program to defend our country. Anyone who thinks the army of a country is just a program to curb unemployment ought to burn their countries flag and openly declare that they have 0 patrism at all!

 Well I'm canadian so whoopity squat on being an american patriot.  And not that much of the american army was used in Iraq percentage wise, the size of America is like 4 times overkill of what it would ever need, it is a solution to unemployment, you might as well pay for them to be soldiers then give them welfare.  Everyone of us went into Afghanistan, remember how a platoon of Canadians were bombed by the americans? it's so insulting for you to further sully their image from not only being killed by an american screw up but also by being told their nation didn't help in afghanistan.  And China and Iraq are sooo different, you can't go bombing all willy nilly a country like China with soooo many people who could be civilians and China is so huge they could have military installations ANYWHERE.  And remember Iraq had been under boycott for 10 years and had an estimated 2 millions deaths to preventable dieses like malnutrition during this period according to the UN, so Iraq wasn't exactly in prime fighting condition.  Look at North Korea, does it look like America will ever invade their? NO, why, Nukes and a milion man army of fair technology and training, China would be like North Korea times 100!

edit: Canada's military isn't an unemployment program at all, that's why ours isn't very big.

Quote from: Juby (Tercios)Everyone of us went into Afghanistan, remember how a platoon of Canadians were bombed by the americans? it's so insulting for you to further sully their image from not only being killed by an american screw up but also by being told their nation didn't help in afghanistan.

Actually, your nation DIDN'T help in Afghanistan. We would've accomplished the same thing without the Canadians. In fact, the alliance with them doesn't benefit us militarily.

Who's vote do I have for President (I plan on expanding the U.S. into Canada, Mexico, and South America, and then on into other regions of the world...)

 A bit far fetched, Deathclaw. And besides, its the thought that counts.

 

Quote from: DeathclawActually, your nation DIDN'T help in Afghanistan. We would've accomplished the same thing without the Canadians.

*Yawn* And that is why the US wanted Canada to assist in Afghanistan. Sure you could have done the same thing, but it would have required sending even more American soldiers overseas. We sent money, food and peacekeepers.

Afghanistan  Overview

QuoteI plan on expanding the U.S. into Canada, Mexico, and South America, and then on into other regions of the world

As if that's possible. *snort*

 And we did fight in Afghanistan, remember the whole huffle about how the american plane bombed a platoon of Canadians?  WE gave you the finger on Iraq, we all went into Afghanistan.  Glory Hog, and like was written earlier, you could invade and occupy us, but we (especially the Quebecois cause they know their culture would not be given the same rights in america it is here) would fight like crazy and you'd be running within a few years, plus the international community will not sit by as you invade all sorts of nations in the America's, if you did you would be turning into the new Nazi Germany and the world would fight because htey would realize that they would be next and that you would have become evil if you did that.

Quote from: Myrhakel GreenfireAfghanistan  Overview


As if that's possible. *snort*

It is very well possible. Canada, Mexico, Central and South America would all fall easily, like dominos. The tricky part would be some of the U.S.' allies, but that is why we have A-bombs.

 A) no it would not be easy, even america does not have the resources to occupy the America's, you would have people dying from guerrilla warfare everywhere, and talking about atomic holocaust just makes you look ignorant.

Quote from: Juby (Tercios)A) no it would not be easy, even america does not have the resources to occupy the America's, you would have people dying from guerrilla warfare everywhere, and talking about atomic holocaust just makes you look ignorant.

I may look ignorant, but you are.

 heh, is that basically saying "I know you are but what am I?"

 Death claw, these Idea's may seem great to you, but others may be offended by your constant ranting of an invasion. Its not going to happen, so cut it out.

 

QuoteI plan on expanding the U.S. into Canada, Mexico, and South America, and then on into other regions of the world...

And I plan on eating single-handedly destroying the world, but our plans mean ... if it has no chance of working :lol:

Deathclaw, when America attacked "Canada" in 1812, one of the primary reasons was manifest destiny (the belief that the U.S. should and will take over North (and South?) America). Have you ever heard the term "history repeats itself," becuase you REALLY should think about that...

 Invading canada would be easy,  Holding canada would be nigh imposable.   canada does not have a large armed forces,  and the equipment they ahve to sue is outdated.  but they are well trained,  sometimes to the average level of US special forces, navy seals, army rangers,  you get the picture.  IN other words, you might find yourself attacking a town and finding unexpectidly low defences, and later fighting unusualy well trained "civilians" later on.  

You would be invading a first world contry.  One that varies between 1st and 3rd most tecnologicly advanced country in the world.  AKA  unlike iraq,  where everyone thinks of bombs and guns when they tink of getting back at the "evil opressors"  You would be facing hackers attacking the infastructure of the united states.  Stealing from US banks to pay for the canadian resistance, Spying on the us intelegence network, feeding false intelegence into the network including false troop locations,   leading at worst to US forces attacking each other by mistake.  That kind of thing

Also US would be fighting brittan, for sure,    I beleave the queen of england still has constitutianal power in Canada.   AKA  we are self governing,  but if we are not able to fend for ourselves it is written into the canadian self government contract (or it was at one point in our history) wher she can take sovernt power over canada back.  hence invading canada may be taken as an attack on europe.  Dont know on that one for sure

You would be fighting the UN.   afterall  canada was the peacekeeper forces in the early days befor the united stakes took that role for themselves, and currently still has peackeeping forces deployed around the world, including places like afganistan and others.  

BTW   the war of 1812 and the other "unsanctioned military action" both met with bitter falior, in the war of 1812 us only wone one desisive victory, and that was shortly after the war ended, all other land combats were one by mixed brittish, colonial and native forces.   in the other ware the irish bregades ried to atack quebec.   lost horrably and fled when the us goverment confiscated their supply lines utterly tromped.  IN the war of 1812 however us forces basicly kicked Brittons but at sea.  So they had some thing going for them.

Recent history ,  the 2 world wars, canada faught from the beggining to the end,  in both wars the us only joined after the presidency could find a good excuse,  it is now argues that the uspresident knew about pearl harbor befor had and moved the carriors out of the harbor and to the west cost befor hand, and used it as an excuse, likewise the lusitania seems to hve been carrying weapons when it went down, they still dont know for sure,  but it got the american peoples thirsting for blood,  thats why its a bad idea to do something like hide a terrorist orginization that blew up the world trade center.....

ON the other hand candian forces in world war 1 did things loke close holes in the trenches after germany used the alied trenches as the sesting site for mustard and clorene gass attacks,  and in world war 2 canadian forces took at least one untakable hill.  Canadians were used as shock troops in both wars untill the us forces enterd, and did the job surprisingly well. LIkewise in canada there are towns that for periods after both wars there were town with 10 girls to each guy because of the seer number of people who through themselves into the war.  It got to the point where instead of instituting a draft, the canadian military had to institute the practice that is still used today,  they only take the best of the best of the best  


As far as china goes,  in the korian war, (pre vietnam) the united states was warned not to cross the chinese border. Several times.  After us forces crossed that line one commander in the us forces was quated as saying "retreating Bleep no  we are just fighting backwards"    Yes they had a million man standing army at the time, and still do now.  and no they didnt have enough guns for all their troops, What china said was if you see one of your comrads dead and you have no gun,  take his.  US could bomb china for 20 years, and not loose a jet, but would nto be albe to invade because in an ground engagment sheer numbers would  win.    

I know most of this has been said befor but i wanted to say my part because i cant leave wel enough alone.   My sorces are grade 10-12 canadian history classes taught in victoria BC, and grade 11-12 World studies/history classes taught in the tri-cities area of washington state.  so are faluable but still hopefully pretty balanced.    BTW    both countries tell a differnt side of history so both do not match in all places so sometimes the story we tell each other is incomplete......

Quote from: alacazarYou would be fighting the UN.   afterall  canada was the peacekeeper forces in the early days befor the united stakes took that role for themselves, and currently still has peackeeping forces deployed around the world, including places like afganistan and others.  

The UN? And we're expected to be afraid of them? They're too much of wimps to do anything.

 Cut down on the propaganda. It makes me sick...

A world under US neo-con leadership.... Oh well, the only good thing is that it would colapse pretty d*mn soon.

Superpower means that the US could blow up the world. It doesn't mean that US is invincible. It doesn't mean that other countries can't defeat the US. Because the US is, in fact, fragile. All nations are.

The US could totally colapse. Let's say China stops trading with the US... Or Japan. The US economy would likely colapse.

 Why the heck are you argueing?  You know that the U.S. is never going to invade Canada no matter what happens.  Canada and the U.S. are friends.

 heh, US is Canad'a biggest trading partner but at the same time, Canada is the US's largest trading partner, what would happen if we cut you off? WEll it would suck for Canada but the only problem we would have if surpluses, which would result in unemployment at first but at the same time everything would get cheap, so much food, wood, basically every resource is here and enough for way more then 30 million people and Canada is a high tech economy too so we can easily build any product you can think of (really the only thing we would miss is like california oranges) so we would bounce back once we have scaled back certain production and the entrepenuer had stepped up to build the things we usually let the americans builds which would make more jobs.  America however would have to scour markets around the world to get their natural resources (because the US simply does not have enough resources (maybe enough food) to supply it's nearing 300 million people.  Prices for goods in america could skyrocket, cause when theirs a shortage, demand seems huge (and the first rule of economics is that business' will always charge as much as they can get away with, demand goes up, prices always will in capitalism) and other nations could charge america whatever super inflated price they wanted to cause they could.  So in America, their would be mass shortages and super inflation, in canada their would be huge surpluses and cheap goods? who would it hurt more?

 What Juby said is probably true. Canada bleeds itself dry.

I mean, what is the fricken' point of exporting more than we can afford to and then buying it back at higher prices?!

 The miltary is not a unemployment program, because there are jobs out there, but people are lazy! Lazy people won't do squat. They'd never make it through boot-camp. And any country can have patrism. Or maybe lolayism, whatever you want to call it.  America will never be Nazi Germany!!!!! We could be WWI Germany, Japan, Frace during Napolean, The Romans..... And on and on, but America will never do the things Nazi Germany has done. There will never be an American lead Holocaust on one kind of people. Given the chance I think some American nations would simply turn their countries over. We could occupy the Americas, like Juby said were not using our whole force in Iraq. Why would we invade the Americas? The only countries we'd invade are one with what we won't. The oil producing ones, which isn't all of them. Canada has very little to offer the US if invaded.  

 Juska, research the economic concept of Full employment, then you'll realize taht calling the unemployed lazy and saying theirs jobs for everyone is ignorant.

 Ok, if I hear one more thing of "the unemployed and poor are lazy", I'm going to puke. In most cases, THE PEOPLE DON'T CHOSE TO BE POOR! Wow! A revelation!

Look, my family lives at/below the poverty line. My parents work harder than just about every rich person and most of the middle class. So STOP INSULTING POOR PEOPLE!

Gah!

 same here darth sidious, my mom works two jobs, 4 shifts as a waitress a week and a regular nine to 5 as a secretary, she makes about 20 grand a year canadian, which is around the poverty line after working a 64 hour week.

 Well, not really so ignorant, because if the army is just an "unemployment program" like you claim [it's not really, but you don't get that] then why doesn't the 5.6 percent just join the army.

Good news, 308,000 jobs created in March :)

The poor are not lazy. The unemployed, in some cases, are.

You are being rude by saying your parents work harder when in reality most middle class people work as hard as they can just in higher paying jobs.

It's common knowledge that doctors are usually well off and yet they spend a ton of time working. For example, go to work at 6, get off at 10, get possibly night calls.

 

Quote from: ~>John<~The poor are not lazy. The unemployed, in some cases, are.

You are being rude by saying your parents work harder when in reality most middle class people work as hard as they can just in higher paying jobs.

It's common knowledge that doctors are usually well off and yet they spend a ton of time working. For example, go to work at 6, get off at 10, get possibly night calls.

And that is why we should become communist. Thank you John.  :P

Do you have any idea what medschool costs and how hard it is to get in? Either education costs have to go way down or their salaries have to stay high.

 what are you talking about John? and not everyone wants to join the Army John, alot of people would prefer unemployment to the army, why do you think theirs all those recruitment commercials on TV? Do you really think the American military needs more people? No, it's already uselessly big.

 forget unemployment, i would rather die than join the army

 Aren't you guys tired of arguing yet? Couple corrections though... America is currently paying its farmers NOT to grow crops, cause if they did, we wuld have to much. Also, we are one of the largest exporters of several crops. Yes Canada important resources, but the truth is, most of our stuff does not come from Canada. JAPAN is America's biggest trading partner, while AMERICA is Canada's largest trading partner, so if you were to cut us off, you guys would have more problems than us. After all, we are the largest and most infulential economy on the planet. No one else even comes close to our net and gross GDP. America can survive without Canda, but Canada cannot survive without America. Much as you might like to think otherwise. However, Canada is a great country, and I am tired of arguing about all this, so how about we just all think what we want to think and talk of this no more? I have been to Canada, and its one of the most beautiful places I've ever been, and while patriotism is great and all, what's the point of arguing over it when the countries in question are as closely knit as America and Canada? I joke when I say that Canada is "America North" but the sentiment I am expressing is close to the truth. They are our great Northern Neighbors, and our two countries are so closely bonded that we might as well be one, because goinf across the border is almost as easy as going into our out of a national park. So can we please stop now? Both countries are great, and lets just leave it at that?

 errrr...hate to post after such a pretty post but I need to make one correction, we are bigger then Japan;
Exports - partners:  
Canada 23.2%, Mexico 14.1%, Japan 7.4%, UK 4.8% (2002)  
Imports - partners:  
Canada 17.8%, Mexico 11.3%, China 11.1%, Japan 10.4%, Germany 5.3% (2002)  
source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/us.html
but I suppose that doesn't really affect Volkov's sentiments but Knowledge is power and all that jazz....

 OK. I was mistaken, but the rest of the post still stands as written.

 Why 2002? It's the beginning of '04 get the '03 stats.

People choices effect their lives. The top 2 reasons for being poor are. 1. Having a baby in High School 2. Dropping out of Highschool. Those are choices. My reasons why people are well-off 1. Rich parents. My family isn't poor, but were not well-off either. Anyone can be rich, but they have to make the right choices.
Juby, what about your dad? Feel free not to answer.

 Your first example only involves women. Secondly there are many poor people out there with college and university degrees. Lots of people with degrees can't find work. There are lots of homeless people with high school degrees. You can't just say that people are poor because of one thing or another.

A large percentage of poor people are children. It wasn't their choice to be born into a poor family. Most poor people live in nuclear families. So yeah ...

Here are the 2003 stats.

QuoteThe United States still trades more with Canada than with any other country. It sent goods to Canada in 2003 worth US$169.5-billion, up 5.3% from 2002. Canada sent $224.2-billion in goods to the United States, up 7.1% from 2002. The result was a trade surplus for Canada of $54.7-billion in 2003, up 12% from 2002.

Sad, frustrating report on Canada-U.S. trade relations

 Well I'm not embarressed about it, one thing about when I became a communist is that I stopped feeling embarressed about being poor-ish, the only reason I get internet is cause It's free cause me and my mom live in my aunts basement apartment, my pops is a deadbeat living somewhere in Ontario.  But the number one reason for being poor is the poverty cycle.  Like I remember not being able to get my school supplies for over a month into the school year, and this isn't rare either, and if you want to learn you sit at the front, the teacher however will rag on you in front of the whole class telling you to get your stuff already, however if you just sit at the back, teacher never notices, however you pay less attention back there.  Also it's been proven that hunger seriously hampers your ability to learn, alot of kids can't afford breakfest(or can't stomach plain toast every morning for years so they skip it) or lunch.  Also it is not reasonable to expect rational thinking from a hungry person, if they aren't rational, crime looks very good because in every ghetto or hood there are quite a few rich people, but their rich through illegal means so they aren't around long but when you live in a poor community, the possibly of getting rich through illegal means seems much more realistic then going to university because you know people rich through illegal means and you know very few people who became rich through the university route.  Finally back to the concept of full employment, every capitalist nation, has a thing that's called a full employment level, In the states because of the high military spending it is at about 3 - 4%, in Canada it's about 6%, but it basically means that that is the maximum number of people who can be employed before inflation reeks havoc.  Inflation and Employment are reciprical, meaning when one goes up, the other goes down (unless you fail to properly use Keynsian economics like in the 70's, where they spent in the bad times and continued to spend in the good times (Keynes said you should spen in the bad times and save in the good times) and because they misused the keynsian idea they got stagflation).  So once you get unemployment down past full employment, infaltion has gotten out of control, because their are so many consumers spending money that demand is huge and prices go up because they can, but when prices go to far up, people will start to lose jobs becasue production costs go nuts.  This fundemental part of economics means their is not a job for everyone, poverty is inherant to capitalism, even if everyone is an extremely hardworking, many will still be unemployed (also, the unemployment rate only counts those who are looking for work, people who have given up or turned to crime or are in prison don't count, so really full employment % is much higher considering their are 20 million americans in jail, another statistic that I originally thought was fake but was true).  This means their isn't a job for everyone, you telling a poor unemployed person to get a job is just wrong because their simply is not a job for everyone.
edit: those stats were published by america, ask your government for more up to date info, and it's not like for Mexico to jump by like 10 % in two years of the market share.

 MG, it takes 2 people to have baby. Your right capitalism doesn't work without poor people.  

Quote from: JuskaMG, it takes 2 people to have baby. Your right capitalism doesn't work without poor people.

Of the children born to high school aged girls only about 4% end up with the father. The rest end up with the mother or put up for adoption. In many cases the father provides no support for the child until he starts to have a full time job. Often the mother receives no support from the child's father and his family.

Quote from: JuskaMG, it takes 2 people to have baby. Your right capitalism doesn't work without poor people.

and if capitalism doesn't work without poor people, then you can't exactly blame the poor for being poor now can you.  And you can't always expect rational behaivour from teens, I mean the hormones can drive us crazy.

 Poor people....can't afford computers....I'm not sure if they have been blessed or not because of this.  Without a computer they don't come here and get there minds warpped *talks to hand about pizza pieces in Taiwan* and they don't get their daily allotment of vitamin spam.

 A used computer is pretty cheap now, the one I'm using is a hand me down from my grandma and basically every school in Canada has the internet.  So that's not true in Canada at least.

 Juby at least capitalism works unlike communism.  

 Capitalism works. It's just not good for the poor, unemployed, and some of the middle class. Also, in most cases, the large corperations don't give a cr*p for the environment.

Communism works as well. Problem is, all our examples have been of Socially Authoritarian Communism ("State is more important than person").

Quote from: JuskaJuby at least capitalism works unlike communism.

http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?a...t=ST&f=5&t=4422

we already got into this debate, and capitalism does not work, people in the world are starving to death needlessly, if we really wanted to, we could easily save them but america insists on gluttony (58% of americans are obese).  To me that shows that capitalism is a crappy idea, the only thing good in it is that people can get rich (very very very few do however), If it "worked" then no one would be hungry.

 Apparently no one even payed attention to my post besides Juby. Well that's fine. I will not  reiterate my arguments for or against communism, but I will say that a system working has nothing to do with sate of the lowest rung, a system works as long as the economy and country can sustain itself. So capitalism does work. Communism in any form also works. As to which works better, thats in part a matter of what exactly you are talking about (as in, what you applying communism too), mostly of opinion. No casn we please stop? This is going nowhere.

 Since Juby claims he won that debate, I've posted.

Go there

 Name one sucessful communist country. People are naturally greedy, thats nature. 58% of people in the US are obese because capitalism works. Hunger is a problem and the people of American are doing things, were just not doing as much as some people want. All so lots of Americans have jobs were they sit 100% of the time and most don't exersice enough. Obesity has nothing to with a countries anything. Who cares if 58% of Americans are obese. Oh and if capitalism doesn't work why is the most powerful and influencial country in the world a capitalist nation.  

 ummmm libertarian communism has never been tried, therefore it's never failed, also the soviet Union, an evil authoritarian communist regime, was very succesful at times and terrible at others, much like how in the US you have had a depression and mass recession a quiet a few times and economic booms at others.  Go read the whole communist debate and respond there, don't bring it here.  People are dieing, any economic system that lets people die of starvation of treatable diseses is not working.  And it's not the office job that is making people become obese(if that were true, japan, austrailia, canada and much of europe would be obese too), it's gluttony.  As a people americans are showing themselves to be pigs based statistically, and it is a terrible problem, obesity is deadly! It's overtaking smoking and cancer as the number one killer of americans.

 Capitalism is good for some. It's bad for the other 90% of the world.

Is it fair that the African nations that were exploited to fuel capitalism in its early days starve while America becomes bloated?

Quote from: The EmperorDam...I knew this would make me sound dumb. I wasn't quite finished my post, and I had to go, so I posted the half of it anywayz. So here's the rest:

Basically, I summed up that Canada has had a better miltary history than the States in major wars. However, Canada has decided that peacekeeping would do more good for the world than a miltary. We rely on the States, and that's one of the reasons we can get away without a huge miltary. Of course Canada can get easily taken over by the U.S., I NEVER said they couldn't (you guys enjoy putting words in my mouth). In fact, if the U.S. invaded Canada, I don't think ther would be much resistance. HOWEVER, IF the U.S. DARED to invade Canada, the rest of the world wouldn't just ignore it. The U.N. would not stand for it, Britain would be involved, and many other countries. I don't think the U.S. would dare touch Canada...they would have no reason other than "they want their resources." That would not go over well. As you can see, this whole "joke" is exactly that. I say, give it a rest war hawks!

On a side note, the War of 1812 was started completely by the Americans. You should re-check your history. You may even find the reason, which can be summed up by the word "manifest destiny." We kicked your ... and burned down the White House

Even if they were British, they were still on Canadian soil fighting for Canada (wasn't its own country at the time, but my point is the battle was not in Britain).

Mmk. Gotcha, and, I'm sorry evrybody for the meesed oop histry. Obvoiusly, Im typing way too fast and mak9ing many errors. Anyhoo, The U.S. wouldn't invade Canada unless: (1 Bush went pscho and went on an insane plot to take over the world (2 Kerry was elected and Canada called him names and he turned even more psycho (3 If Canada attacked first or did some backstabbing. *mutters about all the arabs up there* Btw, did you know that an Alkaida member that was considerably high up was let into Canada, when he was so highly suspected? As soon as they identified him, of course, he thrown in prison, but still... There's a point where "healthy socialism and acceptance of others" goes into "letting pscho terrorists into your country". He could have just as easily atacked Canada, and Canada would be right behind Bush. Though I do think he should have said something about that terrorist attack... Micheal savage (a very conservative tlakshow host) now think the entire Republican party are (a number of obscenities here) because of Bush not saying anything about that, which is funny, because he's been saying the same things about Liberals and communists for years.

Quote from: Kueller*mutters about all the arabs up there*

thats really offensive

 I'm sorry. Let me rephrase. *mutters that Canada is not thorough enough in making sure that the arabs they let in (most of whom are very nice people) are not Terrorist scum*

 Points:

A. Oh, the US is so good at that. It was in the US that the terrorists were trained. What are we supposed to do, anyway? Institute a "Patriot Act"? Opress non-whites (since they are obviously the problem :rolleyes:)? Not let people in simply because they look Arabic? Deport people so they get tortured?

B. Not all terrorists are Arabs. It is arguable that some governments are terrorists, and there are many "white" terrorists. From eco-terrorists to neo-conservative terrorists. Why do you single out Arabs? Are you afraid of people that don't look like you?


(Off-topic: Could a mod/admin move this to UMD?)

 DID I SAY: Blacks, Hispanics, anything-in-betweens and whatevers? NO. What proof do you have that the terrorists were trained in America? Did I say all terrorists are arabic? NO. However, the ones that are attacking the U.S. were, as are the people in Iraq killing our troops. You are coming to many false conclusions about my post as well as insulting me. I am not afraid of people who are not white. I'm afraid of people (of ANY color) blowing me up. Maybe a terrorist attack on your neighborhood would wake you up.

Quote from: KuellerDID I SAY: Blacks, Hispanics, anything-in-betweens and whatevers? NO. What proof do you have that the terrorists were trained in America? Did I say all terrorists are arabic? NO. However, the ones that are attacking the U.S. were, as are the people in Iraq killing our troops. You are coming to many false conclusions about my post as well as insulting me. I am not afraid of people who are not white. I'm afraid of people (of ANY color) blowing me up. Maybe a terrorist attack on your neighborhood would wake you up.

Firstly, I want to apologize for any personal attacks. They were totally uncalled for. I apologize deeply.

Secondly, I meant they were trained in a Florida flight school.

Thirdly, you don't seem to realize that all types of terrorists attack the US and other countries. Look at, for example, the Oklahoma city bombings. A white person.

Fourthly, I ask you - Do you think Terrorism is succeeding? Why do you think it happens?

Fifth and final, I sak you - Is it worth the curbing back civil freedoms in the name of fighting terror? Is it worth oppresion? And, if you feel that the goal of terrorism is to destroy freedom, doesn't that let it succeed? Think about it.


3,000 people dead is a tragedy. But do you realize that more people than that are killed each week, and, indeed, each day, because of exploiation by Canadian, American, and European corperations? We are all guilty.

 over 98% of all terrorist acts in the US are commited by white supremacy groups, not arabs.  Canada is a soveriegn country, our borders are looking for people who will commit terrorist acts in CANADA, I think it's idiotic that you blame canadian immigration for a terrorist getting past American border police.  We are not responsible for who you let into the US and who you do not.  Canada is plenty thorough, we have high criteria for immigrants, however we can't be expected, no more then the CIA can be expected, to know where every arab is from, their opinions or where they have been before they entered Canada.  Finally, most terrorists entered the US not through Canada or even Mexico, the US let most of them in directly, ie they immigrated from their nation directly to america, therefore you blaming the fact that a few got in through Canada is mute.

 And also about Iraq killing our troups.  We're sending them in there in the first place.  It's Iraq's lands not ours.  And the way Bush talks about helping them, it sounds as though he thinks he owns Iraq.  Sure they may be out of wack there, but I believe that we shouldn't get involed in another Countries problems in the first place, especially when they don't want it.

 Wow, you completely enjor posting things that have no relevancy don't you kitty?

Seems like a cat, small brain.

 

Quote from: Juby (Tercios)No, it would not be easy, even america does not have the resources to occupy the America's, you would have people dying from guerrilla warfare everywhere, and talking about atomic holocaust just makes you look ignorant.

Okay, I was just thinking about this and I changed my mind. Juby is entirely right. It would NOT be easy to invade Canada. All Canada needs to do is hold the Americans off for about 4 weeks, and then that would give the U.N. time to step in and settle things. As soon as America invades Canada, here's the steps I would take if I was making the decisions:

A ) Empty all armories and move out of the major base camps and cities and switch to guerilla warfare. Also, destroy key areas and bridges such as the Peace bridge (I think thats the name, don't quote me, lol), so the Americans would have a longer way to go. I would also destroy/blow up any aircraft that has troops on it trying to land in, for example, Pearson airpot before the U.S. troops could get off of the plane.

B ) If possible, I would get my hands on a nuke (steal it?) and set it off over (in the sky) above the U.S. The reason? The MAJOR advantage the U.S. has is its incredible technology. A perfectly camouflaged soldier can be picked off from a helicopter with some of the technology they have. So, to counter this, a nuke would destroy the silicon chips in all of these advanced weapons, etc. Even before we can get the nuke, or if w never get the nuke, the alternative is to get the best hackers to screw up, scramble, etc. the weaponry.

C ) Finally, I would bring the war into the United States. They would not dare drop a nuke on their own people, and we would do something similiar to what we did in the War of 1812 (burn down the White House, hehe). We would attack key government buildings, sabotage areas, and go after military institutes. NEVER innocent civilians or towns, thats just low.

There...thats my blurb. Feel free to criticize it. :rolleyes: