Ok. So it took wolf bite to let me in on my own clans activities, but poor wool pulled over his eyes Volkov has finally gotten the whole story. Apparently Juska has been taking advantage of my rather lenient clan policies to sack the heck out of people. Wolf pointed out to me that he had sacked many people 21 and 15 times, and though Juska denies wolf was online, he did sack wolf 21 and 15 times respectively. At the time of this, I thought I was being given the runaround when I messages Nohc asking him why he killed so many of Juskas rats. Apparently the reason NOHC told me to "Ask juska" is because he thought I was supported Juska's insane attack patterns. I don't have time to keep tight tabs on my members, I go to college full time and I have a social life. I check every once in awhile, but the last time I did, Juska wasn't doing this. I do not support 21 sacks on people, or anything like that. If you have a problem with one of my members, TELL ME! FOR GODS SAKE! I had no CLUE that he was doing this. Juska seems to have been acting as big a bully as Wrath's leader, Deathclaw, was being to me. All of this would be partly my fault, I take the blame for the problem, but if a clan member does something you don't like, TELL ME! The earlier hassle with ereptor not withstanding, I am NOT trying to provoke war, my clan rules specifically STATE this. I'm sorry this got so far because everyone assumed I knew everything and supported it, it is my fault that I didn't keep closer tabs on my members, so if you wish to yell at me and denounce me for the idiot I've been, go ahead. I prolly don't deserve to run a clan and in the future will mostly likely be independent. I was just rather dissapointed when my idea collapsed for what I was originally going to do with my clan. It wasn't supposed to be all politics, is was gonna be simple, we dominate, you mess with us, we kick your behind. Can't do that with 3 or four members. That's a result of me recruiting people who A) Commit, but don't join and B ) Thinking I have more people than I actually did when time cam to clan up. So it resulted in this mongrel clan I have with really lenient rules. I'm very close to just disbanding. If it does live on, it will be a totally revamped w00f you see. For one thing, I will renew all previous Alliances if any still wish it. So that's the whole story from my side of it. I put judgement of my incompetence in your hands RWLers.
So I have one final request, of all of you and Juska, LAY IT OUT FOR ME. Nohc, what did Juska do to provoke you into annihilating so many of his rats? I would NEVER have gone along with this If I hadn't gotten either no response or the runaround from EVERYONE I talked too. Apparently my trust in Juska was misplaced. If I don't get the full story from him, he WILL be hung out to dry. I'm a reasonable guy. Don't assume I'm not just because of one response. And again for GOD"S sake! TELL ME! Thank you.
-A very tired, very exasperated Volkov.
First off, I don't ever remember sackign Wolf Bite 21 times and then turning around and saking him another 15, I did sack Wolf once it may have been up to 15 times, but I know I didn't waste 21 attacks sackign him. He was not online when I started, but was popping on and off while I did it and happened to pop on when I was about halfway through. Wolf was not running turns, so I don't give a care you can't just sit online and yell at people.
If the news shearch went back far enough I could prove my claims, but as of what I can see over the last 13 days I've attacked Wolf less than 20 times no mroe than 10 in a run and none were sacks. Maybe Wolf should check his news again.
As for Nohc, he killed my rats I got mad, he didn't apologize and used me as a dump off for his excess rats which I didn't appreciate so I killed him, Wrath seems to think that was a clan affair and will be killing Woof at 10pm tonight, or at least me. There's nothing else to say, I guess my leaving Woof to save myself today will mark the end of my days with it.
Gee Juska, you missed is point, as I was afraid that you might. I never said it was THIS week nor only about me. But then I invite everyone to check Juska?s news for the last 100 attacks. Click ?attacker? so you only pull up his attacking record. You will see that
Jan 13
14 on Alive and Amplified (#17)
8 on wolf bite
21 on Bloodwake
Jan 9th:
21 on Alive and Amplified (#17)
17 on Holby
8 on windy
2 on wolf bite
Jan 6th:
4 on Alive and Amplified (#17)
4 on windy
1 on Imperial Army (#23)
and that is as far as his record goes back.
Weeks ago, as Gorg Gaz, I was on line sacked by him on 2 different times. Also I was on line watching Holby taking his turns as Juska was on line sacking him.
The point being that most if not all of those attacks are Sack. He is not at war with all these people. Juka does often attack on line. Attacking over 8 times can start a war. Sacking can start a war.
His ?Indy? strategy is not self-sufficient. He must find a target that he can break, then keep attacking the same person. He must use Sack constantly to support his horde. He must catch people when they have land, and attacking on line is the best assurance no one else will get it first. Maybe that is what he needs to do. But that does not excuse how vicious it is.
The clan is responsible for the players actions. Juska has been wiping people out for the last 2 months. His clan has been taking the thrashing of Juska?s actions, but receiving no benefit.
The reason this came up is because of the pending war between the Wrath and Woof clans. Woof was willing to defend Juska?s actions, as they defended Juska in the killing of Nohc. Woof was looking for allies if this war was to happen. I simply pointed out to the General that Woof?s actions (caused by Juska) and over actions (on Nohc) does not make them the good guys. The General is man enough to be willing to reevaluate the situation, look into whether he had his assumptions wrong, then take the responsibility to correct them if he finds that a member of his clan started this problem. A very difficult, but noble, thing to do.
Now Juska jumps out of the clan saving himself but leaving those venerable that were willing to defend him to their deaths.
I ask that any Wrath / Woof war is delayed until Woof?s leader is properly informed as to what he is fighting for. Any information about Juska?s past attacks, and the facts of what this war are about would be helpful.
Wolf Bite
I was raped by Volkov and cloud for planning this war. Now I'm supposed to hold back?
Cloud leaves Wrath to join an enemy... he deserves death, but I'll delay a war for now unless he attacks me any more.. thanks, cloud for being a traitor and then killing about 2 and a half million stoats.
Edit: Wolf, what the war is about it two members of Woof killed a member of Wrath. To me, that is more than just cause for a war. If the rest of Woof doesn't want death, they can set Wrath to ally while we kill the two members in question (Juska and Death Eater), then perhaps even a real alliance can be put in place if an agreement is made.
It can not been seen who started a gang fight by looking at the last punch.
The General is willing to stop and look at the facts to see if he was misguided in his actions. I have only been in on this since last night, so I agree that my information may be very wrong about what you guys have going on. This is what seems to be happening in reverse order.
Woof wants to kill Wrath because Woof found out about Wrath?s plans to kill Woof.
Wrath made plans to kill Woof because members of Woof killed Nohc.
Woof killed Nohc because Nohc killed 10 million of Juska?s rats.
Nohc killed 10 million of Juska?s rats in retal for ... something?
I may very well be wrong about the above, please correct it and add to it, so both sides know what they are fighting for. You may find more of an agreement then a fight. Besides, Juska has jumped ship leaving Woof to fight Wrath on their own. Again, I could be wrong, but I see this as misinformation from Juska to his clan that caused his clan to defend someone that maybe they should not have. If this is true, then it would be as unfair for Wrath to fight Woof for a missunderstanding as it would have been for me to have fought Wrath a few weeks ago based on wrong information.
Wolf Bite
Woof nearly killed me. I can't see putting a stop to this war without recieving reimbursement, and if Woof accepts either member back we will have to kill those members.
Cloud deserves death for leaving Wrath for no reason. I have reason to believe he leaked information to Woof about the plans, otherwise how would they know?
To stop this war, Wrath deserves reimbursement to everyone hit majorly, including Nohc. I lost a lot of troops and land in this and want repayment in some form, either aid or their deaths.
Step one: Prove them in the wrong
Step two: Work out a treaty
Wolf Bite
Wolf Bite, why don't you shut up about things you don't understand?
I attack like crazy because I need land to keep up with the crazy Marten's. I can break any empire in the game save maybe PA(though I doubt it). The only empire I have ever sacked this round was you and that was because I ended up with 80 some turns max loan and no cash, and I plain don't like you very much.
Sackign gets you less than 1/2 the land regular attacking does.
My indy is totally self-sufficient so why don't you go back to playing with your little leaders, and hording cash.
Why don't you go play indy for once Wolf Bite? You wanna know why? Because you can't. My rat massing strat is on the forums, check it out, play it, change some things as I have and then come back.
Wrath, Gen. and Cloud did nothing to you so do not kill them, if you do then Nohc will not be the last to fall.
PS: I guess Wrath finally figured out I was reading their forums.
*deleted*
Juska, had you attacked Nohc in any major way previous to his attack on you? If not, then while I admit killing is a little extreme, Nohc was in the wrong too. As I said, I don't want you to die Juska, and I don't want you out of woof for good. It was just if I found out that you were the main cause for all this. I may be wrong yet again, but so far the response has not been wonderful.
Deathclaw, yes we hit you way down, but did not kill you. It was a preemptive strike because you were planning a kill run on all of w00f. You have changed your tune a bit, but kill two members for ones death is not acceptable. That's just deliberately trying to weaken us. Perhaps you see us as a threat? I don't know. I am willing to pay some reparations if we can get this cleared up, but I repeat, NOhc, and Juska have to tell me the WHOLE story of EXACTLY what passed between them before I can make a decision.
How is that in anyway helpful to the situation DC?
The two would be killed because they both participated equally in the kill, the only difference being one delivered the last attack, thus getting the kill. They both should die.
If any should die let it be only one. I'm still waiting for the full story. Two deaths is just not acceptable. Death Eater may have helped, but he didn't record the kill. And killing Nohc was Juska's idea. It remains to be seen whether he had justification for it. I shouldn't have to be explaining this, my first post lays all this out in detail. Juska's response to it is a little lacking in detail.
I did nothing to Nohc beforehand that could in any way warrant those attacks on my empire, I gave him two very clear options if he wanted ot avoid death. 1. Restore my rats to what they were or 2. Apologize
I just don't like how your so quick to accept Wolf Bite's view of our clans affairs.
Arrg, stop bringing me into this and expressly stop misquoting me. I out right have said that I don?t know what happened within your clan. All I said was that your aggressiveness may have been the spark that started all this. And if you only used Sack on me because you don?t like me, then why were you using it on Gaz before anyone knew that I was him? But getting away from the half truths, I am simply trying to avoid a war if it is to take place for the wrong reasons. It seems Juska still wants the war, wonderful, he left the clan. Maybe both sides should know what they are fighting about, that was simply my point to the General, and he agreed that he should know why there is a war. Maybe they have a great reason for a war and it should go on! Maybe there was some mutual mistakes and both sides need to step back. Maybe one side was deeply in the wrong and should pay retribution. But none of this matters until there are facts which no one seems to want to post.
Wolf Bite
Wolf, Wrath members had already put a face with your name before I did those attacks. If you don't know anything then don't post anything.
Convo on AIM. This is Nohc's fault. Not Juska's.
Crazy Soviet: DId you hit Nohc before he hit you?
Perseus1216: no
Crazy Soviet: What at all?
Perseus1216: I might have hit him before, but as i said ont eh forums nothing to warrant his attacks upon me
Crazy Soviet: How many times did he hit you?
Perseus1216: lots, the point is he purposely killed over 8million of my rats
Crazy Soviet: I know
Crazy Soviet: But what is lots?
Crazy Soviet: 15?
Crazy Soviet: 21?
Perseus1216: 15+
Crazy Soviet: OK
Crazy Soviet: That's unreasonable
Perseus1216: it's not the attacks, its what the attacks caused
Crazy Soviet: Yes
Crazy Soviet: I know
Perseus1216: I can deal with 30 hits
Crazy Soviet: He could easily have espied you
Perseus1216: but when someone destryoed my strong type when i ahve less than 200k of every othert roop I get mad
Crazy Soviet: And seen that rats were yor strongest
Crazy Soviet: *Nod*
Crazy Soviet: I know
Crazy Soviet: How many rats did you have?
Crazy Soviet: Before Nohc hit you?
Perseus1216: 12mil, he hit me to 4mil
Crazy Soviet: OK
Perseus1216: then sent me 2mil because he couldn't hold all his, the nerv eof him
Crazy Soviet: I understand that would piss you off
Perseus1216: i gave him 2 options he declined both
Crazy Soviet: What two options?
Perseus1216: apoligize
Perseus1216: or rstore my rats
Crazy Soviet: What just apologize
Perseus1216: yep
Crazy Soviet: ANd its done?
Crazy Soviet: No reparations?
Perseus1216: yep
Crazy Soviet: WHAT THE BLOODY HECK!!
(Edit: That was me very angry that Nohc had refused to even aplogize)
Crazy Soviet: BUGGER!!
Crazy Soviet: Did you post this info?
Perseus1216: what the one wiht NOhc?
Crazy Soviet: Well that
Crazy Soviet: And this current AIM convo
Perseus1216: No, I think it deletes all emssages with dead empires
Crazy Soviet: Ah
Perseus1216: because I can't find Nohc;s, but I have your after u talked to him :
Crazy Soviet: Well I'll copy paste the relevant part of this convo
Crazy Soviet: Hrm
Perseus1216: He said that he''s told you why and that it wasn''t deliberate.
Crazy Soviet: He didn't tell me why
Crazy Soviet: He told me to ask you
Perseus1216: no that was your msg to me
Perseus1216: sayign what nohc said
Crazy Soviet: I know
Perseus1216: I foudn our convo
Crazy Soviet: OK
Perseus1216: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:11:32 -0800
From: Nohc (#14)
I attacked you with rats because I wasn''t going to waste money on /more/ troops, and I also didn''t want to waste money keeping my rats. Don''t tell me that you didn''t appreciate the rats I sent at least a little. I''m not going to do anything else for you as I am already overattacked and you''ll probably attack me anyway if I sent you the rats. Tell me, do you aid everyone that you overattack?
P.S. What''s Cb?
Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:27:19 -0800
From: Juskabally (#49)
You purposely killed 8 million of my rats! And then you add insult to injury by sending me a few mil rats for compensation? Cb me, I know you could have, I have less than 200k skiffs, and yet you kill mine and your own rats? You have 6 mil rats to go, or a very well written apology or you will not survive.
Perseus1216: Then i told him CB meant stats
Crazy Soviet: AH
So you see, NOhc refused even to apologize.
Also, in earlier messages, its shows that its possible Nohc might have been mad that Juska was in wrath.
Quote from: JuskaIf you don't know anything then don't post anything.
He's trying to resolve the situation :rolleyes:
As am I.
First of all, I didn't kill off 10 million rats. I killed 6 or 7 million I believe. Then I sent him one or two million, so I basically killed about 5 million.
I left him with a good amount of land, at least more than everyone else.
He can make rats rather easily, so I don't see why those rats were so important.
Is this really a good reason to kill me? I personally don't think it is.
(has no record of previous attacks between him and Juska)
Nohc, I'm surprised. Am I that scary...I have been expecting death for awhile now. You see, if I get killed, whoever kills me will have a ROUGH set. And I mean it. Just as that person leaves protection...wham! Dead again. Not fun for them, not at all.
So, maybe you guys are just smarter than you look.
Surprised at what? I can't always attack lightly I want to perform decently.
If everyone felt the way about getting attacked that Juska does, there's be a lot more grudges in this game. It seems that Juska really likes attacking, but really hates being attacked.
Was it just the loss of rats that you didn't like? Northland Raiders attacked you 19 times and I don't see him dead. The same with Wolf Snare who put in 20 attacks. Maybe next time you should just sack me a couple times and buy them off the market with the money you get.
I like my rats.
Or I could kill you next time.
I didn't see myself going anywhere with wrath. Also I may respect DC as a player, but he is not fit to lead a clan. His ambition is slow and he takes too long to plan. Also I feel that w00f would benefit more from me than Wrath, seeing as Wrath has more members, and I like a challenge. So if you want me dead DC, go ahead and do it ;) .
Nohc... *Shakes head* whatever boy. This is the first time in a couple days I'vce really been able to check the forum. You killed fully 3/4 of Juska's rats. That is going to be rather hard to just "buy back". You sent him a token amount, taking the damge you did from 8 million dead too 7 million dead. Thats still over half. And you didn't even have to pay them back, an apology would have worked just fine! So while I maintain that killing may have been a little extreme, YOU started it Nohc. We finished it.
Quote from: cloudAlso I may respect DC as a player, but he is not fit to lead a clan. His ambition is slow and he takes too long to plan.
Not fit to lead a clan? You could not do near as good at all. I'm a better clan leader than you or anyone in Woof for that matter.
We planned to kill Woof within two days, only thing holding us back was that only two people got on instead of the 5 who should've been.
You haven't been around long enough to judge my skill as a leader, because otherwise you would have a completely different opinion.
If only Juska and Death Eater had a clan, I'd be the one finishing it.
Volkov, I don't really know what your purpose here is since I didn't attack you and you didn't attack me. It's really only between me and Juska.
If Deathclaw were willing to leave it at that, I'd be perfectly willing to let you guys battle it out to your hearst content. But Deathclaw was planning the whole clan's death, which MAKES it my business.
As to your leadership skills Deathclaw... well that's up to those who are under you to decide, but from what I've seen so far, you are at least overconfident in your clan's loyalty. Not thatI'm the most wonderful leader in the world... but neither are you. No offense.
Quote from: DeathclawNot fit to lead a clan? You could not do near as good at all. I'm a better clan leader than you or anyone in Woof for that matter.
Deathclaw, before you spew out garbage, please have some background knowledge before you do it. First, I find Gen. Volkov to be a very competent leader, and though he is not perfect, he has done a considerable amount of work and I rather be under his command than yours anyday.
Second, you obviously don't realize what players consist of woof. Both myself and Juska are considered some of the best leaders at QMT, leading one of the most powerful clans there. And its a lot harder to lead at QMT than here. We have been voted Best Leaders numerous times, and we know what we're doing. Care to check out a REAL clan site:
http://s3.invisionfree.com/The_Bloodlust_F...Forum/index.phpSo please, don't make idiotic remarks before you know who your talking to. Just because I don't lead a clan here doesn't mean I'm not a good leader.
I really don't see why everyone is yelling and fighting about this. You Juska could give your side of the story and just tell the truth about what happened and no offense but STOP EXPLODING IN EVERYONES FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will probly not be sentanced to death because the members of your former clan and allys could avenge your death. Just tell the Gen. what happened and we will see what happens from there. ::agrees::
My clans always dominate, every time I lead one.
As for QMT, who gives a (wash my mouth out with soap)? This is RWL, not QMT.
As for Woof's members, they don't compare to my clan, such as Orcrist and Nohc, to name a few. If Kilk had time he'd be in as well, and he's better than any one in your clan by ten times, if not more.
Actually, DE is on par with anyone in this game except for Wolf Bite and PA, IMO. And even them he's not far behind... But he's evil. :D
I 'll say just stop fighting and tell what happened and we can get it sorted out there. ;)
Deathclaw.... While certain members of your clan may be good, you don't know how to organize effectively. I on the other had have a clan full of some of the best players in the game and I know how to organize effectively. You seem to want a war. If so, I'd advise against it, if not then quite provoking us. Either way Woof is ready.
Razor, you forgot Holby. LOL.
Bladetail, I'm gonna blow up in your face.....
Because you obviously haven't read the whole frickin topic if you think I haven't explained myself, so don't go around criticizing me when I've done everything you said I have not.
But just for your benefit I'll give you the outline, Nohc killed 8mil of my rats after no prior disagreements between us, I told him replace them or apologize otherwise I'm gonna kill you. He did neither I killed him, with DE's help of course, then Wrath got all mad.
DC you have a great clan, but it esacpes me why with the talent you have their are two BA's ahead of you and you guys haven't even tried to take out the top 10, the farthest you got was figureing out who gore gaz was.
QMT is 20x harder than this place that is why it is relevant, go play there(though with the new code change (junk) its gai but better than here) lead a clan war and come back.
Fine, DC, I'll admit. I'm no good at exploiting the many bugs in this game like some people are (*cough* josh *cough*). But let me tell you something. I don't come here to *win* (in fact, there really isn't a viable way to win, so thats impossible). I come here to screw around, maybe try some new strats for QMT, help some friends out etc. To be frank, you haven't proven yourself as a good player until you compete against the best. Whether it be QMT or ZAP!, the two best promisance games that are currently out there.
"The best?"
I think RWL could take on Zap or whatever that is as well as QMT players. Gathering the best of RWL to face those games, RWL would win.
So, yes, I have proven myself.
your a funny character, Deathclaw. Very funny indeed. I laugh at that comment because 3 QMT players came over to Turbo and completely owned everyone, without even trying. And it was the first time they had ever played the game. Funny, indeed.
Keep telling yourself that, DC. Doesn't mean it'll come true.
Heh. I noticed how the QMT guys encountered SO MUCH resistance... And despite how you guys say that QMT is better, I've noticed nobody from QMT has dominated Reg... Why not?
Honestly, Death Eater, no one plays turbo at their fullest, it is just something to do while waiting for turns on regular. QMT players aren't better than RWL players, I assure you.
Dude, why don't you make a Reg game that has a set end date then QMT ppl will come over and play. We don't waste our time playing a game when we have no idea when it'll reset. At least in Turbo, there's a set date so we came and tried it out.
DC, you talk a lot. I would like to see you back it up. New set at QMT Classic starts beginning of Feb. You can sign up now to get used to the code. Bring as many good RWL'ers as you can and make a clan. Let's see how you fair. Link is:
http://qmt.ath.cx:8080/Remember, its QMT Classic. Turbo is WAAAY different, its NOT the same game with a higher turn rate. I'm betting your clan wont come top 3 at the end, and you'll be lucky if 1 person makes the top ten.
Its time to back up the talk.
heh. I'd like to try QMT, but I need my firewall, and QMT's setup doesnt allow firewalls.. and I value my computer too much to disable the firewall while using turns.. yesterday my computer was prodded over 1000 times within 30 min.. probably just one bot, but one bot I dont want in...
hum, and some people do play turbo to the max of their ability..
but quite a few, me included, just like to mess around in it...
as to RWL vs. QMT, I think that some QMT players are probably better, seeing as the game itself is older and has a larger active playerbase, giving more of a challenge and more oponants to adapt to..
RWLers don't know the way that game works, like we have had time to learn here.
But if anyone wants to do this, I'll make a clan, but I'll need to make sure I get some good members... like:
Kilk
Orcrist
Nohc
Nevadacow
windhound
Wolf Snare
cloud
almkman
And possibly others, I just made that list off the top of my head... if I get enough people I'll go for it, and if you did the same with reg, we would completely beat the (junk) out of QMTers. I'll see who I can get for the QMT thing, it all depends on who I get.
How hard I play in any game really depends on the situation. For example, In QMT I play rather hard, but for the most part I just mess around at RWL. THough currently I've been expending a little more effort at RWL. Basically I just mess around with strats here to see what I can use. The few times I've played seriously, I ended up at #1 for quite awhile. I'm a little apprehensive at playing 100% at RWL and QMT.. I might fall a little short of what I think I can do. And that would be dissapointing.
But seeing as I am currently playing about the same level of intensity in both games, I would have to say QMT is a bit better than RWL in general. I'm in the top 20 to 15 there and the top ten here. Of course the slower turn rate does make a difference. SO my playing style is adpated to QMT. SO its not a totally accurate judge of difficulty.
I'm up for a change, QMT sounds like a nice challenge. Pretty sure I wouldn't be 1st right off the bat, but I adapted to rwl rather quickly so hopefully I could do the same with that.
I think cloud might do well at QMT, and I like how he sees it as a challenge. DC, I am really looking forward to seeing what you guys can do. Surprise me. I'm sure if you can do well as a clan, more respect will be brought to this game, thus the playerbase may increase.
Oh, and if a clan of QMT players came here, there would be now way to tell how good we are. Since there's no objective in the game except to "dominate." Which I know we would do, if we actually tried a lot. Maybe we will come here after you guys come to QMT. But a lot of players are turned off by the never-ending set and the fact that we would end up joining midway through. Not to mention the extremely low turn rate. But we'll see.
So far for QMT I'd have:
cloud
Me
Any others? Can't really succeed with two members, need a little more than that.
I think Nohc currently plays, he MuFed me 25 times a while ago.....
I currently 3rd, DE's probably somewhere hiding while he stores cash until it's coming out of.....well you know, then he'll buy up and get like 50mil net while me the poor indy can only watch. I think I've been top 10 the whole set, guess not to many of the great guys are playing competively, seeing Thams in first.
DC please keep living in your fanatsy world.
Cloud I'll look foward to seeing you there.
I'm currently #27.
MuFed?
Yeah, I play (and have played a few times before), but I'm on vacation right now... (just Classic)
We should make an RWL clan just to have fun and see how we do. :D If I can get 3 other people I'll make it next round.
Thats the spirit!
MuF = Magic User Fight. Equivalent to RWL leader attack. Very ineffective in QMT, almost pointless.
Anywayz, no Juska, this set I'm supplying my clan with cash. And lots of it. So I generally won't hit a high rank. I may grab top ten at the end, who knows.
Lol.
MuFs not half bad when I've got 23k land and Nohc's in the low ranks getting 300-400 land each shot.
I know. XD I didn't have enough troops to do anything at the time either. Takes too much loyalty though.