Are there any plans on resetting Regular or anything? Because it doesn't look like anybody can play, because all the land is on the top 3 people, and nobody can even touch them. Or well, I can't, but....
Usually we leave it alone until a lot of people request it or it's clear that nothing is going to happen. They top people don't have an impenetrable lock by any means, the issue is more that nobody is motivated to team up and take them down.
On the other hand, there really is far too much land in the game for the amount of people playing.
I'm open to the idea, but not unless everyone else wants it, too.
Okay. I meant that I can't touch them because my networth isn't high enough, and I can't get any higher because there isn't enough land tat I can get.
I'm motivated, but all my team-mates deserted me. *Cough*Shadow*Cough"
next week is my last set of midterms, I hope to be active again after that.
My whole clan left me... *cough*war*cough*
If anybody wants to team up let me know, id like to start playing again
~NW
You better be Shadow.
There's a simple solution to the problem: JOIN THE TOP THREE PLAYERS' CLAN!!!!!
Why should we? It's not like we could anything. They keep all the land, and we do what? Nothing. At least we have something to do by trying to unlock the land.
Quote from: Typhon on February 24, 2013, 02:27:16 PM
If anybody wants to team up let me know, id like to start playing again
~NW
You can join my clan if you want.
Is that still EOTP Krowdon?
Quote from: Krowdon on February 26, 2013, 06:51:24 AM
Quote from: Typhon on February 24, 2013, 02:27:16 PM
If anybody wants to team up let me know, id like to start playing again
~NW
You can join my clan if you want.
sent u a request
Quote from: Ian2424 on February 22, 2013, 02:13:57 PM
My whole clan left me... *cough*war*cough*
Same here, bro.
school is difficult, especially engineering. Might be on over spring break
Loyalty: 1,203,150,541
Quote from: Sharptooh on February 26, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
Is that still EOTP Krowdon?
Yes. Although the clan tag is VC because it wouldn't let me put EOTP. We briefly disbanded and then I started it up again. I didn't want to be in any other clans.
Well, stuff started happening and they immediately vacationed their netholder, as usual.
I've been saying for years, dropping into vaca purely to protect net should be against the rules.
There's unfortunately no way to enforce it objectively. Hence why we just got rid of it in turbo.
Side note: if anyone wants to help take down the top guys, I could use any loyalty you have lying around :)
Great work Shadow! I was getting ready to suicide them. I still might. >:D
There's still lots to do. #587 and #863 both have lots of poorly defended resources. Poison and murder!
Or steal, 587 only has like 1 mil leaders.
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There's unfortunately no way to enforce it objectively. Hence why we just got rid of it in turbo.
We should just get rid of it in reg as well.
Quote from: Gen. Volkov on March 27, 2013, 07:16:15 AM
I've been saying for years, dropping into vaca purely to protect net should be against the rules.
Isn't that the whole point of vacation? To protect your progress while you're away so you're not beaten into a bloody mess if you have to take a couple weeks off?
12 hours needed to toggle vacation is a very short time given the slow pace of the game though.
The issue is when a player who is active on turbo and/or forums goes into vacation on reg while in a compromised position and waits until the coast is clear to come out. It has happened multiple times. Of course, there's no way to be certain, hence the annoyance. I suppose it's possible that Jaffar, Kaz, and yourself really are on vacation and aren't just doing it to keep land away from me, but I don't think I'd be taking a big risk betting against it ;).
I'm rather in favor of making vacation idle-out only, after a certain amount of time not logged in. But we've had this discussion before, and here we are.
That fact that all three of the top land holders in your group went on vacation at the same time while their land was being taken is extremely unlikely a legitimate use of vacation, given the timing of your last run as compared to your post, and given that Jaffar is still active on forums and turbo. I suppose I can take solace in the fact that the actions of a single player have an entire clan of veteran players running scared.
Unrelated: there is way too much land in the game. We should implement a land farm dropping land when there is so much floating around.
Oh look, they start breaking vacation right after I use turns.
Scared? We're not going anywhere. Only reason i dropped net is to fight. gl
So you're scared we'd kill all your net? Good thinking.
So they should leave all the net on them to take massive upkeep losses, and risk losing it all to this game's worst loophole imaginable (leader suicide + murder/poison spamming?)
Yea okay... thats just dumb lol
no, I /actually/ had to come down within range to attack you guys.
What's the fun of kills? Somehow spamming attacks is more interesting than spamming leader suicides?
When you guys want to actually have an interesting battle do let me know.
Quote from: Shoot
So they should leave all the net on them to take massive upkeep losses, and risk losing it all to this game's worst loophole imaginable (leader suicide + murder/poison spamming?)
He had next to no troops. He wouldn't be taking any upkeep losses.
Quote from: Wolf Snareno, I /actually/ had to come down within range to attack you guys.
Why would you in the first place? If you were so far above us that we couldn't even attack you, why in the heck would you dump net?
Oh, and that's freaking weak, having Boris gather up 300k land and then go on vaca. Way to abuse the vacation function, yet again.
As an outside view, I still struggle to see how it is legal for this vacation abuse to continue? I know it's difficult to determine if somebody is genuinely on vaca, or if they are abusing it, but in cases like this when it is obvious...
Quote from: Gen. Volkov on April 05, 2013, 07:04:47 AM
Quote from: Shoot
So they should leave all the net on them to take massive upkeep losses, and risk losing it all to this game's worst loophole imaginable (leader suicide + murder/poison spamming?)
He had next to no troops. He wouldn't be taking any upkeep losses.
Quote from: Wolf Snareno, I /actually/ had to come down within range to attack you guys.
Why would you in the first place? If you were so far above us that we couldn't even attack you, why in the heck would you dump net?
Oh, and that's freaking weak, having Boris gather up 300k land and then go on vaca. Way to abuse the vacation function, yet again.
So he'd still have to take massive shame losses to hit that low if he's even allowed considering you dont clan (or at least stay in a clan).
Also, weren't you trying to break people then immediately retoggling vacation after failing to avoid retribution not long ago? I seem to recall this happening at least twice fairly recently. I guess it's okay if you do it since the abuse "wasnt as bad" though.
@Firetooth - Simplest solution would be to disable the vacation feature, and let vacation happen on idled out players only. Policing the use of in-game features is impractical, and would result in unnecessary drama. What would happen if one person who "obviously" abused vacation gets busted, yet another person who did it does not? What would happen if somebody genuinely was going on vacation and got busted?
I don't recall volkov ever abusing vacation... I think his account idled out once during the time I was doing midterms, if that's what you are referring to. It's abundantly clear that what is happening on reg is not due to idle-out.
Anyway, yes, we should remove vacation and make it idle-out only. Last time I proposed it many people disagreed with me. Maybe it's time to revisit that idea?
Anyway, I appreciate that you guys freely admit that you aren't good enough to actually compete with me without resorting to kills, but since when did the "no kills on reg" thing become not a thing?
It's just strategy bud. Now you're stuck at the bottom unable to attack anyone for three days, while I am about to make another 700 bil cash. See? If you guys were smart you'd kill me and my 600 bil food.... But you're not.
Why kill you and all those beautiful resources when I can just sack the poo out of you?
That way I kinda help myself AND damage you . Seems pretty dumb to kill all that cash that could help m out ???
Quote from: ShootSo he'd still have to take massive shame losses to hit that low if he's even allowed considering you dont clan (or at least stay in a clan).
That's called missing the point. At 10 bil NW, he was out of range to even be able to hit Shadow or I, and we couldn't hit him. He was sitting on
650k land that we couldn't touch. Dropping his net to hit us was the dumbest possible thing he could have done.
QuoteAlso, weren't you trying to break people then immediately retoggling vacation after failing to avoid retribution not long ago? I seem to recall this happening at least twice fairly recently. I guess it's okay if you do it since the abuse "wasnt as bad" though.
No.
Quote from: Wolf SnareIt's just strategy bud. Now you're stuck at the bottom unable to attack anyone for three days, while I am about to make another 700 bil cash. See? If you guys were smart you'd kill me and my 600 bil food.... But you're not.
Or we can steal your cash, buy your food, steal your cash again, buy your food again, and then we when have all your food and cash, sell all your food for more cash, and buy out the markets, setting one of us up as emp.
or just let him ruin his nw... not the best emp i've seen but somehow stayed the longest >.>
The last actual emperor we had was Holby and we took over for almost a year.
I disagree with disabling vacation. Land is constantly poured into the system, and many players actually ned the vacation system. I suggest goodbeasts periodically striking the top 2 people.
The suggestion isn't to disable vacation entirely, it is to make it so that players go into vacation automatically after a week of not logging in instead of being able to go into it whenever they please.
I mean, Shoot just took 200k land into vacation with him, and he's not even pretending it's legitimate...
Quote from: Shadow on April 08, 2013, 07:29:16 PM
The last actual emperor we had was Holby and we took over for almost a year.
Oh yeah, I remember that!
Alright twits.
Disabling vacation would probably be the simplest, but I like the idea of a simple land leak. Would prevent people from locking the land and taking it into vacation via idle-out -- just takes, what, 7 days?
On reg that's two skipped runs.
Solution-ish:
Add together the land in the current top ten, divide by 10, and use that as the goal. Currently that would be around 60k, so not a burden on the average player.
When you go into vacation you lose a certain percentage of your land per day until you're below the goal. Land given to the land farm.
Make it so it takes 0.1% per turn cycle so its a slow leak
So a relevant example:
200,000 acres taken into vacation
200 acres lost first turn cycle
Down to 173k first day
Down to 150k second
Down to 130k third
Down to 112k fourth
Down to 97k fifth
Down to 84k sixth
Down to 73k seventh
Down to 64k eighth
And would be at 60k on the ninth day, to fall no further unless the average land in to top 10 changes.
Feel free to correct my maths, I wrote a quick excel macro 'cause its what I had open:
Sub PartSum()
Dim count As Integer
count = 144
While (count > 0)
Cells(1, 1) = Cells(1,1) - (Cells( 1,1)*.001)
count = count - 1
Wend
End Sub
So 9 days to normalize. Fair enough?
Game code wise, it should be maybe 5 lines in turns.php
That's a clever solution, but it sounds to me like it's an over complicated solution for a simple problem, it still wouldn't solve the land problem completely either (you could still successfully lock large amounts of land for a few days)
Stamp of approval.
Oh I donno Sharpy
Its not very complicated, it really should be just a few lines to turns.php which runs every 10 min (hands out turns, does some cleanup, etc).
>pull top ten land values, divide by 10
>store goal
>load players
>while there are still players to check
>>if player land > goal
>>>landfarm land = landfarm land + (player land * .001)
>>>player land = player land - (player land * .001)
You can still take land out of the game, but once in vacation you're stuck for 3 days (iirc). So you if you take 200k acres into vacation, you will lose 70k by the time you can sign in again. Meanwhile you haven't gained any turns. It prevents people from idling out with insane amounts of land as well, as you're going to lose quite a bit very quickly.
I'm happy to consider other options. Land leak seems one of the better as far as fairness and simplicity (it doesn't affect anyone other than those with above average land).
I could just give abusers one week bans, but that leaves room for complainers and false positives.
Removing the option to put yourself on vacation means people will have to wait 7 days, but if they can keep the land that long they're home free -- and have full turns for whenever they feel like signing in again.
Judging by the current behavior just leaving it as-is isn't a great option.
Other ideas?
Reasons why Land Leak is a bad idea?
I'll try to get it working tonightish, and pending objections I'll implement it on Friday afternoon. You twits hiding land via vacation have a lag time before its implemented so you can come out and play fairly.
I thought of something like this earlier, but my idea was simply to cut off land immediately to the average once they clicked go into vacation, and then not take any away if they idled out. I like your way better, no reason not to reintroduce idle land to the game as well. When this does go in, though, the game will be flooded with land. We'll see how that changes things.
When you do implement it be careful: you'll have to delete for each building type individually, including freeland, and then add the total destroyed to the farm. Nothing more complicated, but just a few more lines than what you have above.
I like the land leak idea as well, though I agree with Shadow, you do need a bit more code than was posted, and you need to make sure it only affects those in vacation. Don't want active players randomly losing land.
Quote from: Gen. Volkov on April 06, 2013, 07:34:15 AM
Or we can steal your cash, buy your food, steal your cash again, buy your food again, and then we when have all your food and cash, sell all your food for more cash, and buy out the markets, setting one of us up as emp.
baaaaaaaaaahahahahaha. cute.
They're after me lucky charms!
Time Event
14.8 hours ago The Hounds of Ulster (#7) attacked you! You held your defense and your enemy was repelled, but you lost:
3,237,620 Rats
You managed to destroy:
636,841 Rats
Double posting, reported.
Finally, some game action!
Well, had to see how many rats you had, didn't I?
Yeah yeah, volkov. I didn't think you would attack...might have to break you...
Time Event
6.1 hours ago Sharptooth (#27) attacked you! You held your defense and your enemy was repelled, but you lost:
5,364,304 Rats
You managed to destroy:
7,972,841 Rats
6.1 hours ago You find Sharptooth (#27) attempting to view your army!
ohnoes!
Is this your idea of heckling? How cute. :P
QuoteYeah yeah, volkov. I didn't think you would attack...might have to break you...
I'm guessing you are either "The Saber Truth" or "Savanaux the Terrible". Or possibly Kaz, I don't really care. You're all cannon fodder Snare or Sevz recruited, and wouldn't know a decent strategy if it hit you in the face. Agency has just spent the last day reaming the lot of you because you are on low health with no leaders. So I would just shut it if I were you. I never expected to break Snare, I was just trying to get a feel for how many rats he had, as I couldn't spy him. You, on the other hand, I could wreck in half a run, if I cared.
I am Vulpuz the Claw.
*Shakes head* I'm the Hounds of Ulster, you are on my team. Before you go making posts about me, make sure you know who I am in game. Christ.
I'm assuming the post was from before you joined Volk, seeing as you only clanned yesterday. No need to be such a grumpus.
It wasn't. The post is from after I joined, because I browsed the forums after I joined and that post wasn't there.
Look man, I didn't now you joined agency then, and I certain didn't mean to offend you. If you want to take small papas pequeñas as causī bellōrum, your call.
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QuoteLook man, I didn't now you joined agency then, and I certain didn't mean to offend you. If you want to take small papas pequeñas as causī bellōrum, your call.
Come off it, you didn't even know who I was in game.
I did too.
this argument is foolish
Right, whatever.
*raises weapon*
9 ? Raise Your Weapon & it's Over (#35) 0 $135,147,452 FAW (War) Stoat Mossflower
Well, I think that completes the destruction of pretty much everything you guys built while Shadow was away and it was me against like 4 or 5 of you. Unless Ryu comes back I guess. It's interesting to be on the opposite side of the numbers ratio than Shadow and I usually are.
Quote from: Wolf Snare on April 05, 2013, 04:56:24 PM
It's just strategy bud. Now you're stuck at the bottom unable to attack anyone for three days, while I am about to make another 700 bil cash. See? If you guys were smart you'd kill me and my 600 bil food.... But you're not.
Quoted for truth. :)
No complaints, figured that would happen but someone insisted something something. I'll be back up