Just for something to debate, this, since Shael seems to have tired of the subject months ago. ^_^
My (ironclad) argument is this: If NOTHING was impossible, that would mean that it was IMPOSSIBLE for something to BE IMPOSSIBLE, correct? Therefore, since IMPOSSIBILITY WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE, it would STILL BE IMPOSSIBLE for NOTHING to be impossible. Because, after all, if it is not possible for something to be impossible, then not everything is possible, is it?
Thoughts?
*grins* Why dig it up? Why use that argument? Man definitely has impossibilities. I think that there are some things that are impossible for man to do and impossible places for man to go. *shrugs* That's my two cents.
Something may be impossible for one man, but possible for another. It is my opinion that nothing is impossible. For example, one man can take apart a carburator and put it back together with his eyes closed, but man B doesn't even know what a carburator is.
Maybe a better way to phrase this would be everything is possible.
I am so confused! Does this mean that if nothing is impossible, than NOTHING is impossible, so therefore it is impossible to do nothing or for anything to be impossible? *Gets even more confused* *Throws hands up in the air* I give up!
Possible possibly possibler possib-shut it. Heh.
Alrigtht, I will now and forever be called "The Confusionary"
So, the impossibility of impossibility itself is impossible, meaning that if nothing is impossible than impossibility is impossible, therefore something is always impossible? Interesting theory. I agree. You could say that everything other than the impossibility of something being impossible is possible, I suppose.
If Nothing is impossible doesn't that mean its impossible for everything to be impossible?
Hmm... After saying possible so many times it sounds strange...
It's easier to say.Everything is possible or nothing in impossible.
I am confused, a lot. *Faints from the confusing words from the confuser. Is near death in a coma.*
It should be a coma.A comma is this ,.
So, the confusing of impossibility is not impossible, therefore is possible, and the confusing confuser could possibly confuse the impossibly confused, correct? And the impossibility of confusing confusion is now possible due to the impossibility of confusion being impossible. Got that all down? :)
If everything was possible, then wouldn't it be possible to have something impossible but that means everything isn't possible? However, isn't it possible to make something impossible possible?
How's that? Less confusing?
Just thinking about this makes my brain want to explode...
Nothing is impossible.
Very confused now. *So confused by RazorClaw that his brain starts emploding and heat beat stops in his coma and people scream and worry.*
Quote from: Ashyra NightwingJust thinking about this makes my brain want to explode...
Nothing is impossible.
well, if nothing was impossible, that means everthing was possible then it be possible to have something impossible. That means it's impossible so it can't be true that nothing is impossible.
Ad your saying everything is possible.Then you said something can be impossible.Pick one side or the other.
No Almkman. If everything was possible, then that would even mean that there could be something impossible. It would be possible for something to be impossible; it is hard to explain.
It's impossible to have an exact of opposite of this universe, for all that was good would be evil and all that was evil would be good and therefore all good people would do evil and all evil people would be doing good. Therefore the good would be doing evil that was really good and the evil would be doing good that was really evil. But if everything is posssible then it would be possible to have an exact opposite but that's mean that nothing is possible because everything is impossible. That mean it's impossible to have an exact opposite..
HOW THAT....
Ad, you need to be my translator. Blackeyes can be a penguin translator, but I need one outright. *sends out application forms*
If Everything is possible then how can one thing can be impossible?That makes no sense Pikepaw.
The only one who makes sense here is Ad.
If nothing is impossble, it has to be possible for something to be impossble if not, not everything is possible.
Are any synomyns for possible?
If everything is possible then impossibility would not exist, therefore making this entire topic a moot point.
*solves the mystery of the universe*If impossibilty does not exist then it is possible for a human to fly. That means also that all of science is useless except to contradict itself forever. Knowledge is beyond the human grasp, we may know stuff but we have no knowledge of what the true boundries of anything are.
This could also lead us to believe that the universe has a starting point, but spreads on forever in all directions. This leads us to believe that the universe is independant of space and time, for to move in all directions means to move beyond time. Space can not limit what goes on forever. But if something goes on forever, space infinitly expands. Therefore, theuniverse is independant of space and time, but expands infinitly in all directions, forever expanding the amount of space present at any given moment.
The human race has no knowledge of what limits the universe, if the everything were to be possible the universe must have a starting point. This leads to the idea of a sphere. But this is not possible, for the sphere would have to pass through itself and infinite number of times. There is no other comprehensible shape that the universe could be. Therefore the universe is shapless.
The secrets of the universe:
1.Impossiblity is non-existant and
2.The universe is shapeless.
Now you can go through all this and tell me what I did wrong.
[Edit: I wish to draw attention to the fact that only the first sentence in this topic is serious, and that the rest is nothing more than my insane ramblings. Thank you.]
The first line is me and Raine's argument. It works beautifully in theory, but I am increasingly coming to the view that it fails miserably in practice. Ex. it is not possible to throw a 7 on a six-sided die that does not have a 7 on it. Oh well. Paradice-a-plenty.
As for the rest, it is all assumptions and deductions from mostly incorrect or irrelevant presumptions, so, as Henry Ford famously said, "bunk".
~Beatles
ahhhhh....*cracks knuckles*okee..*dusts off account- half-reads the half page of replys and scrolls through the page and a half of sigs and blantantly annoying bandwith consumation*Has this fourm hath no sig limit?
anyways...I barely read the abuse of the word probably and impossable and possable.
Nothing is scared. Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Only the thoughts in your own head hold you back. There is no good, no evil, just a diffrent preseption, a differing goal. While there is crulety and justace, there is not defined good or evil. No right an wrong. *taps head* it's all just your conceptions. Your notions. You make your own morals or adopt someone elses. Don't worry so much, relax, nothing is impossable, just hightly improbable. Take deep breaths, don't work too hard. Cuz as they say- in the end, everything tastes like chicken, and chicken, tastes good.
And time is money, money is the root of all evil, evil is corruption, power corrupts, therefor, time is non-existant and to measure such a thing is just a fool hardy attempt to pretend to control anything.
And as for humans flying- we can't be cause we're told at an early age that we can't-so any hope of it is crushed and finding a way to fly without mechanical aid is hindered. Every cop is a crimminal, and all the sinners are saints.
Life is just one big, long unexplainable contraditcion, don't question it, live it.
And thusly I've spoken in my inproper english. Fear and gr0r...Happy thoughts! ^^
(and this guy; :P ; STILL looks like he's wearing a thong. And you telling me Im off topic is off topic)
Darn you misleading, misbegotten Douglas Adams twisting, ebil anarchists!
That is a misleading, anarchistic, pardon the expression, pack of lies.
I never agreed with Carpe Diem, but you twist it into an even more frightening and horrible shape!
This kind of thinking is the thinking that encourages all kinds of immorality and evil.
Life is not a contradiction. Surreal, even, at times, but not a contradiction. There are those who say, it's too complicated. And there are those who say, it's not good by my logic, but I can understand their logic. If you look at it that way it makes much more sense.
Life and chicken.... read on.
I hope you were jesting. In that case, get lost. This is not a jesting matter, and it can be misleading.
Otherwise, retract that. There is no 'OR'. If you have any decency, retract that. If not, then I hope everybody shares my opinion on that post.
~The Vehement Beatles
This is merely a play and twisting of words. The examples people are giving are actually foolish, there are obviously limitations in this world. Sure, Vengerak, you can twist the statement to make it work, but it is merely words not truth.
What I am saying is that I myself do not believe that "Nothing is impossible!" or that "Everything is possible!". That's nonsense. However, it is very hard to argue this with visionaries & idealists, who can throw up anything from "Yeah, but if there's a Creator-" to the concept of doublethink.
It is very hard to disprove anything, what with the only real truth being the whole "I think therefore I am." spiel, so I have resorted to the use of a simple logic paradox. The bones of my argument will be displayed in bold:
If everything is possible, then it MUST be possible for there to be things that are impossible. Otherwise, it is not possible for something to be impossible. That, in itself, presents an impossibility, & blows the statement apart.
You see? Impossibility itself is a THING. If it is not possible for impossible things to exist, then not everything is possible. "Everything is possible!" is a self-destructive statement, something of an oxymoron, if you will, because it implies that impossibility must exist. If it does not, well, there's your impossibility.
QuoteI hope you were jesting. In that case, get lost. This is not a jesting matter, and it can be misleading.
Otherwise, retract that. There is no 'OR'. If you have any decency, retract that. If not, then I hope everybody shares my opinion on that post.
Really, im crying on the inside...you can feel it, yes?
My name might be Jester, but I ain't joshin'. Or maybe I was....somewhere here and there..like most oft, and I shall not "get lost", for I can't be lost, anywhere you are, is where you are. And I, above all, do not retact that post, that is like asking the pope to retract his belife in God. I mearly would request it to multiply it's self threefold, dispite the jokeingly "skathing" comments left by fourm goer Pikepaw in my guestbook on my personal site which has nothing really to do with redwall or anyof my posts on this fourm, but, I mean, how could one /possably/ realize that? Twice even?
(and Im well aware that Im just inviting trouble)
But, more to the point, wether you agree or disagree with my views gives you no right to censor them, or to make me admit that I am, in anyway, wrong. This /is/ a disscussion, isn't it? Maybe even so far to go as a debate. Last I checked, unless it's factually incorrect, your allowed to stand by your statment, dispite opposition. And I shall stand my ground with my near-incoherant, sarcasam-laiden, grammaricly inncorrect opinons and slash or belifes until I find something I feel is more correct. And I apologize if that is not what you are trying to do and I meerly misinterpreted it.
more-to-the-point-of-this-topic; I shall just leave myself as "Nothing is impossable, just hightly improbable" perfect blanket-statment if you ask me..
I extremely regret ever saying that nothing was impossible in that topic a long time ago. *sigh* My BRAIN has a headache now from reading this...I wish I could find that topic, I can't remember if it was on this forum or the old one, I can't remember the statements I used to contradict Raine's...
Winning a logical argument with Raine - Impossible...heh ^_~
So....let's start another argument, like the last topic, to have several going on at once...(on that last topic, there were about 15 at the same time)
So was it the chicken? *drumroll* Or the egg which came first? *cricket chirp*
[EDIT] *points* Raine has 237 posts.....that was his first warlord number for those who are confused.
Hey, wow, so I do.
Of course, having replied, it's now at 238...
Heh, if I remember correctly, Shael, I never actually had my argumet rebutted directly, even after 10+ pages. ^_^
Oh, & the egg came first, because lizards etc were laying them before the chicken existed.
Mighty spork! Don't start that again...
17 pages of beautiful arguments wiped by an incorrect software upgrade.
...
And Xanthippe still wasn't convinced ...
g-a-h
And I'm a dude called 'I PWN YOU' and planning to eliminate all living players in the game with bounties, because 10T dollars really helps, oh well, what am I saying....
*nods* 'Twas the egg. The chicken had to hatch from somewhere...
But something had to lay that egg...it's like asking if man were brought into this world as a newborn or an adult. And that would also go for Raine's statement, something had to lay that lizard's egg...
The step from feathered lizard to bird must have been made in an egg, if you think about it.
But, for that statement to be true, evolution must have been inevitably correct. You can't really prove that evolution happened. If there is a God, and he created the world, and man, then he created all the creatures within as well. If that's correct, I'm sure we can very much doubt that he created an egg rather than the creature itself. That's only assuming that there is a God, so don't go on contradicting me about that. And I'm also unwilling to start a religion argument here, so we'll leave it at that, I hope.
*Deep breath* Well- *Muffled bang* Ack! *Topples from soap box* Uuuh- *Thud.*
*pats Raine* Don't trip when getting back on your soapbox.
*bumps*
Hmmm....I conclude that the egg was brought upon us first by the reptilian life forms...The reptilian life forms as thought by one of the major evolutionary theories were brought by transformations of something...*can't remember* So therefore the lizard also came first...Then the transformation from feathered-lizard into chicken began, but eggs where still around before chickens so.....There is your answer thanks for using the Scarwake Let's Figure Something Out HotLine.....*runs away before he gets beaten to death*
*raises topic from the dead*
You will all tremble before the Thread Necromancer!
Heh, good times.
I made a mental note two years ago to read this when my brain was capable of doing so. *makes mental note again*
Maybe we should just have a separate forum for topics like this that we resurrect over and over again...*ponders*
Nothing is impossible.? If it is nothing, it is impossible.? If it is something, it is possible.? Simple as that...
No! Stop! You evil evil person! This thing of all the montrous threads on this forum should just DIE. And STAY THERE.
Quote from: The Lady Shael on September 29, 2005, 03:54:43 PM
I made a mental note two years ago to read this when my brain was capable of doing so. *makes mental note again*
Maybe we should just have a separate forum for topics like this that we resurrect over and over again...*ponders*
Most forums stick venerable threads in an archive.
Kill it! Kill it before it wakes up!