In turbo I abused the system to pour massive amounts of land into land farm. I literally can do this whenever I wish. >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Also, I think that LandFarm shouldn't be clanned: It's kinda cheap.
You should never exploit a bug you know about, first port of call is the admins, message them about it asap.
It's not a bug, it's just a method I found out. Land farm gained about 40,000 acres.
Bug, exploit, whatever you want to call it, it's pretty obvious that being able to scout 60k without leaving protection should not be possible.
No, it's because I keep on committing suicide by dropping all land, so I get 100 turns back when i respawn. Those 100 turns can get me about 3k acres to drop. I just keep on doing that.
Say what you want, this is an obvious oversight (I didn't even think it was possible to drop land in protection) in terms of game development and is thus be classified a bug.
Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense; although I can't really comment on such things as it's up to the admins to decide on punishments for things like this.
Funny as, i guess it's totally legal since thats the way the admins coded it. It'll probably get changed but well doin finding a glitch. I sent aid to the landfarm if the land gets removed send it back
I doubt the admins intentionally coded it this way - if they leave a security vulnerability in the code does that mean it's 'intentional' as you put it?
This is a bug in the code.
Trust me, I made use of intentional features to do what I did. Nothing shall befall me.
These aren't intentional features. What don't you understand about Sharptooth's posts?
Land dropping to 0 to regain turns in protection has been a loophole exploited in the past (years ago iirc) and was fixed (years ago). Somehow it's popping up again.
This isn't a new bug. And it is definitely a bug. And If there's a bug that you discover, it's your responsibility as a player to notify the admins, then leave the bug alone until it is fixed. Not exploit it for your own ends. By doing so you're ruining the game for everyone else playing.
This is a bug. Continued use results in disabling.
Disabling of the turbo account? because if so, It won't affect me.
I announce with pride that land farm has 120K land.
I smell the banhammer coming out...
Drakus, not sure how knowledgeable you are about computers and such, but simply put, the admins can tell whether you make new accounts. They can also remotely remove the excess land.
oh wait, accounts connected to forum now, forum ban works too
Off topic, but Shadow, you trolling us hard. How are you here? Thought you were "gone for a while."
Darn it! I just got disabled.
Well, enjoy the 130K acres!
My hotel has unexpected wifi. I will be around periodically.
Banhammered. Windy can decide if he wants to undo this if he can recode the old rule that accounts cannot drop within 3 days of creation. I can't code from here and frankly im pissed I need to do this at all, so don't count on it.
What about the land created in turbo? Is it going to be dropped from land farm?
Not all admin functions play nice with android, so windy or shael can remove it if they want. For some reason the link to the eelevent page doesnt work in android.
Let the players do what they want with the land. It adds a spice to undo my actions to an otherwise themeless round.
I suggest not posting anything else if you don't want to get forum banned as well.
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There is a bugs board...
http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?board=7.0
Nope, obviously not a bug. The code exists in the game allowing it therefore it was obviously the intent of the developers.
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Eh. Great. It looks like Sevz has all that land now Drakus -- not exactly spicing up the round
I'll fix it tomorrow.
Shoot please PM me how you made that work. I think I know but I'd rather be sure.
phhht, Shadow Rudder and several others took the initiative to abuse this land, now you're going to take it away once it gets into the hands of competent individuals?
over half that land is trapped on lower players at hitlimits I haven't grabbed it yet, it got spread after they all got good use of it. Lots of risk I'll get broken which is bad news doesn't help me for another 2 days If I can get it all i'll aim for a new Redwall 3.0 record.
Either way I support windy in any decision he makes, if you're directly punishing me for being the one with the land when he logged on that's fair enough but leaving it below is dangerous I had to get it eventually.
So in fair sportsmanship. If I'm getting penalized the land can you at least not demolish my huts or towers?
And how do you work it out? can you just reset the land gained by the account or remove recent land added to before he started? I mean this messes up all the statistics for everyone. Not sure what you'll do but I was in a commanding lead before to the degree of 50x networth now it's around 10x. The people below gained alot from Drakus's actions towards breaking me. In particular 2 of them certainly knew of the bug and utilized it before myself or snare did. One actually suggested I leave it alone so I aided the farm to prevent misuse. Figured Windy would come along remove the land before it got touched.
Need answers mang
Sevah, can you PM me a breakdown of an approximately 100k run on 550 turns with 3.0? For rebalancing purposes. Not going to distribute, just to compare numerically for balance.
When I said I'd fix it I meant the bit of code that allowed it to happen.
The land is, for better or (well, mostly) worse, out there. Drakus broke the round and gave Sevz an unneeded boost, meaning he probably wont be broken. If I could have gotten the land off the landfarm I would have, but that didn't happen.
I guess I could have been more clear in my answer in this thread, but in the one directly below this I said that I would not be removing the land. So Snare, Sevz, you already had your answer before you started bitching. Please to be reading more and whining less.
wondy said a swear
Quote from: Wolf Snare on May 12, 2013, 09:51:36 PM
phhht, Shadow Rudder and several others took the initiative to abuse this land, now you're going to take it away once it gets into the hands of competent individuals?
Awhy do you think I am playing? I actively used my admin account to disable people. Thiugh the amount of trash talk you have pmed to people you think is me is funny reading.
I broke the round...
Eh, it was themeless and boring and didn't matter much anyways. Now, we can all laugh as sevz kills y'all.
Don't sweat it bud, everyone screws up at some point. Hell, PA once exploited hundreds of thousands of invisible acres as an admin, hahaha. Shadow codes out something new every round and still loses. I'd like to say it happens to the best of us but, well... We tend to get around it. They'll get over it. Props for the land though.
The "Shadow is a cheater" conspiracy is priceless. I remember when I was on that bandwagon, too. Then I realized that it isn't something that actually happens, and that repeating it 100 times makes you look like a twat.
Quote from: Kilkenne on May 14, 2013, 09:51:15 AM
The "Shadow is a cheater" conspiracy is priceless. I remember when I was on that bandwagon, too. Then I realized that it isn't something that actually happens, and that repeating it 100 times makes you look like a twat.
Snare doesn't need much help to look like a twat.
Shots fired.
I call someone a c word (literally same definition) and get teh banhammer
discrimination!
Never said he was a cheater, just implying he's a very sore loser and avidly "balances" based on his failures.
As should be clear from this thread, I have almost no patience for modding atm so expect few warnings before the banhammer. Goes for everyone, but given snares shouts lately I would not recommend pushing your luck there either.
I didn't even raise my voice....
Objectively, those shoutbox messages are appalling.
Wolf Snare can have a 7 day gag. I think that's more than fair.
Firetooth, Kilk, please don't respond to him. No bad words.
Holby, modding
WAY TO MAKE MY 4,000th POST TERRIBLE GUYS.
Sorry, Holby. If it makes you feel better, I just remembered that you are on the Australian News and think that's pretty cool.
Quote from: Drakus on May 13, 2013, 07:07:46 PM
I broke the round...
Eh, it was themeless and boring and didn't matter much anyways. Now, we can all laugh as sevz kills y'all.
You're bored so it's ok to ruin it for others? Very classy.
Better idea: post an idea for a theme you would find fun for when I can code again.
I did earlier make a post with a bunch of crappy themes but the limited supplies thing astounds like RWL material if tweaked a bit.
Quote from: Shadow on May 15, 2013, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: Drakus on May 13, 2013, 07:07:46 PM
I broke the round...
Eh, it was themeless and boring and didn't matter much anyways. Now, we can all laugh as sevz kills y'all.
You're bored so it's ok to ruin it for others? Very classy.
How'd he ruin it? He loaded the landfarm with acres and never attacked a warlord. Kind of took his time to donate land into the game if you all used it to break me and defended yourselves better you'd be saying thanks. Your negative attitude is why you're on a horrible net 2/3rds of the way in.
Drakus threw in a bit of an obstacle but as an opportunist and hard worker I make the most of it.
Snares comment about Shadow changing things from round to round is stating the obvious. Shadows losing he makes huge market taxes, we use defence towers he nurfs them and increases merc prices to make breaking better players real easy to break. Unlimited aid gets used to load up his enemy he makes it so people can't aid significantly larger clanmates and 18max.
Reason why we mention it so often is cos the changes are directed at us you don't notice the impact cos tbh most ya all are n00b as. No offence Newbies you're genuinely new i'm talking n00bie which is an old player who's still average skilled after learning the tools. Like Shadown00b
I'm not sure if 'huge' refers to the current 7% tax, but right now with team play you can basically use the market as a tool for free aid to other players, and also as a way to increase the amount of troops you can sell to the mercs while funding your run. A tax makes sense.
I would also like to point out that your clan consists of roughly half the active players.
I don't know if this is a special thing but locking land is supposed to be difficult, and should probably be nearly impossible in the first 10 days of the game. If there were more players it probably would be more difficult, but we have a small community and should adjust the game to account for that fact.
I'm not saying the balance is needed, but if sevz locking turbo is a regular occurrence then there's probably a need for change. It also doesn't help that you and snare like working together, and it seems like most people would pin the 2 of you as the 2 best players.
I'll make this the fourth time you've been told. This round is completely bunged up because Drakus didn't tell anyone about his bug and destroyed the market/round. It's a little shocking that no one figured it out earlier than this (say... a year ago), but them's the shakes.
That's a lazy argument handwave the points taek is making, kilk. The market is actually much more alive atm than before Drakus dropped, which wasn't until midround. Land was also locked solidly long before that. Drakus admittedly did what he did exactly at the wrong time and gave sevz a huge advantage, otherwise he would have been broken by now.
Still, your post really isn't that relevant. The ridiculous power of towers is nothing to do with Drakus. The lack of a suicide substitute is not the fault of Drakus. That you get desertions of 10% on larger warlords is not Drakus' fault. As taek said, the market being abuseable has absolutely nothing to do with Drakus. What, is this the new blame Obama? :P
edit: Oh, and taek, Snare is Sevz attack dog. He burnt all his bridges with the rest of the community over the last couple of years, as he only cares about his "legacy," basically winning rounds with Sevz to add to his "collection" (he even called himself one more added to the collection once...and failed to make the top 15). I'd drop dead in shock if he ever left team Sevz.
It's not handwaving. I don't have a horse in this race. I just have read too many of the same post with the same content that gets the same response to not think that someone who everyone assumes is very intelligent doesn't know how to breathe through their nose.
Additionally, there are two threads right now, one of which says TOWERS GROSSLY OVERPOWERED, the other TOWERS USELESS. This creates the symphony of ~helpful hints~ that sound like ~whining~.
Reiterating the "Drakus borked the round" point without acknowledging any of the valid arguments presented is handwaving. I don't know if you meant it this way, but it comes off a bit rude, when we should be encouraging feedback. The dev board has had a surge in activity of the past few days because taek has been posting, where as it has been inactive for ages. And you helped code this thing, ofc you have your own view, or your own horse as you put it.
Also, that third sentence is difficult to decipher, but I think I get the gist? :P I'm pretty sure most of the things taek mentions there, such as land locking and market aiding, have not previously been mentioned by him, if you're saying he is just repeating himself.
As for towers, blegh. They serve no purpose but making locking easier, imo. I honestly think they should be removed, as cities were, unless they are given an application that gives them some purpose in running turns with towers built. I also haven't seen anybody say they are useless, though I am just going to hazard a guess that this is team sevz? Shadow has said they are overpowered, and they are probably getting balanced, so I don't know what you are trying to say here.
I'm not in a position to engage in this "handwaving". There is no "we", there is me basically saying that someone has burst onto the scene 6 days ago, run about 3500 turns, and has declared everything wrong and broken. While Shadow's not here to address it, I don't want to have to read through a month of it. So I'll go back to logging in and marking every post as read because I can't be bothered to read the pseudo helpful journey of discovery that you two are just now embarking upon.
Have fun, and remember that I didn't write anything, I made the framework for this thing and it's not been my responsibility since.
E: Let me say that the reason I generally touch these threads is because Window is too passive and willing to make everyone happy, and Shadow never has any time.
You're absolutely right, let's not make suggestions for the game when there is a board named development. Nice hyperbole btw. ::)
Honestly, I think you're just being antagonistic for the sake of it, but whatever. Shadow seems to agree with most the suggestions everybody's been making, but as you said he doesn't have the time to address it atm. Everything was civil and fine until you, strangely enough considering you supposedly have no interest, start trying to provoke people who have done nothing to draw your ire. I'm only really annoyed because you're being a [crab] to taek, who is trying to be helpful.
But it's funny how taek isn't qualified to speak just because he's only been here 6 days, but you are the voice of authority and reason, despite having not actually played a 3.0 round since...well, I can't actually remember you playing since the beta?
Bye, I guess.
Firetooth, cool your jets, I feel like you're being needlessly hostile here.
I mostly agree with you; I haven't played 3.0 for a while either, but the issue of market abuse and towers is more or less separate from the issue of Drakus. The land pumped in excess was just a catalyst. If Drakus hadn't abused the bug, the issue would still exist but likely on a smaller scale or at least later on in the round. Kilk is right to an extent.
Only really meaningful post I see here is the one by Taek, everything else has this underlying hostility that doesn't seem too constructive.
Kilk got a bit snarky there, but hey, I mean, it's Kilk.
There are clearly issues, so why not go make a new topic and address them there instead of piggybacking on a troll thread and flaming each other for attitude?
Nice argument, folks. I hope my serenely bombastic attitude does not bring you ire, but I feel that my actions in presenting an extra game challenge in the form of Unbreakable Sevz were justified.
Drakus, shut up before you get banned. You broke the game, used an exploit, and should be ashamed.
Quote from: Uiblis on May 20, 2013, 05:37:56 PM
Firetooth, cool your jets, I feel like you're being needlessly hostile here.
I mostly agree with you; I haven't played 3.0 for a while either, but the issue of market abuse and towers is more or less separate from the issue of Drakus. The land pumped in excess was just a catalyst. If Drakus hadn't abused the bug, the issue would still exist but likely on a smaller scale or at least later on in the round. Kilk is right to an extent.
Only really meaningful post I see here is the one by Taek, everything else has this underlying hostility that doesn't seem too constructive.
Kilk got a bit snarky there, but hey, I mean, it's Kilk.
There are clearly issues, so why not go make a new topic and address them there instead of piggybacking on a troll thread and flaming each other for attitude?
Kilk's middle name is probably snark. Doesn't excuse him being rude to people for no apparent reason. I mean "pseudo helpful guide?" That's really rather disparaging to that one post taek made, and come on, there is no game guide. All his posts are peppered with needless, subtle little insults in Kilk style. He has been dismissive and made no effort to actually read any of the suggestions taek made (as he admitted), but still proceeded to slag them off. That to me is disrespectful.
Moving to the existing dev thread sounds like the done thing to do.
On a side note, Reg needs a reset.