Redwall: Warlords

Discussion => Polling => Topic started by: Mark on February 19, 2003, 05:32:30 PM

Title: This is unfair
Post by: Mark on February 19, 2003, 05:32:30 PM
 1.8 hours ago   Tarsonis (#60) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 1043 acres of land and destroyed:
42,074 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
49,524 Stoats
1.7 hours ago   Tarsonis (#60) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 1510 acres of land and destroyed:
41,600 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
38,663 Stoats
1.7 hours ago   Tarsonis (#60) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 1128 acres of land and destroyed:
25,272 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
23,426 Stoats
1.7 hours ago   Tarsonis (#60) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 844 acres of land and destroyed:
12,120 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
47,341 Stoats
1.7 hours ago   Tarsonis (#60) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 613 acres of land and destroyed:
22,854 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
53,383 Stoats
1.7 hours ago   Tarsonis (#60) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 401 acres of land and destroyed:
5,668 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
16,378 Stoats
1.7 hours ago   Tarsonis (#60) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 556 acres of land and destroyed:
9,626 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
55,037 Stoats
1.3 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 591 acres of land and destroyed:
21,170 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
22,404 Stoats
1.3 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 456 acres of land and destroyed:
9,893 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
45,974 Stoats
1.3 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   You held your defense and your enemy was repelled, but you lost:
9,233 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
40,259 Stoats
1.3 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 653 acres of land and destroyed:
5,375 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
10,434 Stoats
1.3 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 604 acres of land and destroyed:
369 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
48,538 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 288 acres of land and destroyed:
4,250 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
64,197 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   You held your defense and your enemy was repelled, but you lost:
6,808 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
46,139 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 575 acres of land and destroyed:
1,351 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
53,837 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   You held your defense and your enemy was repelled, but you lost:
7,009 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
80,102 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   You held your defense and your enemy was repelled, but you lost:
19,832 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
78,855 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 340 acres of land and destroyed:
7,537 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
29,617 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   Your enemy captured 558 acres of land and destroyed:
18,987 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
36,253 Stoats
1.2 hours ago   Germania (#34) attacked you!   You held your defense and your enemy was repelled, but you lost:
11,346 Stoats
You managed to destroy:
62,595 Stoats

I mean geez I only attack   Germania one time and I didn't win.
:angry:  :(  <_<



:angry:  :(  <_<  
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Menatus on February 19, 2003, 05:38:01 PM
 I can't see what's unfair about it. I even attack you once in a while, although I have nothing against you and I don't wanna kill your account.

If you notice, Josh got knocked down like 70 ranks, so he needed some people to attack.

Title: This is unfair
Post by: Deathclaw on February 19, 2003, 05:42:38 PM
 Hmmm... as it stands, 1 vote an option...
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Germania 4 on February 19, 2003, 05:43:34 PM
 It's a little much, I will admit, being in the middle of a war stressed me out.
Being attacked by people not in the war tips it. My attempt to stop further outside agression to prevent anymore inerference.

I didn't notice Josh hit you before.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Badrang the Tyrant on February 19, 2003, 05:44:39 PM
 I get attacked like that all of the time, and yea I think that it's unfair at the moment, but then I find someone to attack and feel good.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: wolf bite on February 19, 2003, 07:18:29 PM
 funny how they hit you right after each other. I know, they must be the same person!! Oh, that is the same extent of evidence they have against me.

Wolf Bite
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Kilkenne on February 19, 2003, 07:19:41 PM
 Other than they are different in the forum, but please, go on, idiot.

(EDIT) And on messenger services...funny how I'm talking to both of them on MSN at once...
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Aqualis on February 19, 2003, 07:23:57 PM
 Yes, it is completely fair. It bugs me when people get on and whine because they were attacked so much. The whole point of the game is to annihilate the oppisition and gain first place.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: wolf bite on February 19, 2003, 07:30:21 PM
 Good points. funny how I am sending mail to my team mates and we are on line at the same time in differant states. but I can be acused of cheating. and convected as far as a high persent of the people here think.

Funny that their main problem is they were consecativly attacked, like they do to others. but no one looks at them.

Funny how they have a multi account that only has leaders and only attacks the enemy of their clan.

Wolf Bite
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Kilkenne on February 19, 2003, 07:36:52 PM
 I'm not calling you a multi, you twit. I'm saying that your claims are unfounded. Just because you got attacked, you have to make an excuse, and, seemingly to you, with a stroke of brilliance; you say, "I can make a futile attempt to slander KM!" so you try. I don't know ANY of those people, and if they have an account with only leaders, it's a smart thing to do! Beatles did it once, and no one could touch him, because he had no other troops, though we brought him down with our leaders in the end, but it's a good tactic. Maybe you just made enemies by acting like a fool in the forums, you annoy the vast majority of us, as the polls have indicated, and I for one don't even want to deal with it anymore, and yet you persist, thinking, "I'm gonna strike a blow one of these times, I just know it...if only I didn't think like a four year old who's younger sister is getting all the attention...wait...that means I can throw a tantrum and maybe someone will respond to it positively!" Yes, that is what it sounds like you are doing, and I will reiterate myself and say, it is VERY annoying.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Germania 4 on February 19, 2003, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: wolf bitefunny how they hit you right after each other. I know, they must be the same person!! Oh, that is the same extent of evidence they have against me.

Wolf Bite
Difference is in minutes, not seconds.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Fenix on February 19, 2003, 07:41:07 PM
 Fair??? Dude, look at the letter I received and posted, people tried to KILL me.  BTW - I  attakced you because you tried to search for my stats when I had JUST 2000 ACRES !!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? TWO THOUSANND ACRES, AND A GUY WITH 20k IS TRYING TO ATTACK ME? SHUT UP!!

Also, It's your own fault.  

So you're Jedi?!'s brother, hmm?
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Kilkenne on February 19, 2003, 07:44:58 PM
 Whoops, I thought that you were once again trying to justify the <==]= people attacking you, I know Tarsonis and Germania, but my statement still stands.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Germania 4 on February 19, 2003, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: wolf biteGood points. funny how I am sending mail to my team mates and we are on line at the same time in differant states. but I can be acused of cheating. and convected as far as a high persent of the people here think.

Funny that their main problem is they were consecativly attacked, like they do to others. but no one looks at them.

Funny how they have a multi account that only has leaders and only attacks the enemy of their clan.

Wolf Bite
Funny how that wasn't the only evidence

Funny how our consecutive attacks aren't quite the same as yours.

Funny how you base your accusations on the same evidence, therefore that means you believe my evidence against you, therefore you should be banned; along with our multi accounts.

Funny how your multi accounts have only rats to attack enemies of your clan.

Germania
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Fenix on February 19, 2003, 08:13:17 PM
 
QuoteGood points. funny how I am sending mail to my team mates and we are on line at the same time in differant states. but I can be acused of cheating. and convected as far as a high persent of the people here think.

Funny that their main problem is they were consecativly attacked, like they do to others. but no one looks at them.

Funny how they have a multi account that only has leaders and only attacks the enemy of their clan.

Wolf Bite


I thought they were your brothers?

How come people from different states, all access the game through the same library, and have the same IP?

EXCEPT for you, of course, who has his own laptop, BUT your laptop and the library must both be using the same proxy, considering your IP's are identical as well, right?
Title: This is unfair
Post by: wolf bite on February 19, 2003, 08:23:25 PM
 Check your facts, my IP is not on any other account, and that has been tested and proved.

Can you say the same thing?

Wolf Bite
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Germania 4 on February 19, 2003, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: wolf biteCheck your facts, my IP is not on any other account, and that has been tested and proved.

Can you say the same thing?

Wolf Bite
Check your facts, my IP is not on any other account, and that has been tested and proved.
Check your facts, its not hard to use a proxy.

Can you say the same thing?
I can assure you my IP is not on any other account, whether it has been tested and proved, I would have to ask an admin.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Menatus on February 19, 2003, 08:56:52 PM
 You should stick to the same lie, fools.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: windhound on February 19, 2003, 09:05:29 PM
 eh, escuse my ignorance, but what is an IP and a proxy?  
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Menatus on February 19, 2003, 09:12:38 PM
 Computer stuff.

Anyway, how can you be brothers but live in different states? And how would your IPs be the same?

A question.
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Germania 4 on February 19, 2003, 10:49:53 PM
Quote from: windhoundeh, escuse my ignorance, but what is an IP and a proxy?
A more defined answer of what an IP is:

An IP is your address on the internet. The internet is a large network that uses the TCP/IP protocol, which was created largely in Berkley California through the UNIX project. UNIX uses the TCP/IP protocol to communicate between different systems using the UNIX operating system.

UNIX being a university project had a nice license saying you can do whatever you want to it. This allowed microsoft to use it in windows.

TCP/IP is a group of 4 octets (i think they're called) for example: 100.100.100.100
The values of each octet cannot be an integer and can't exceed 255.

When you connect to the internet, your isp assigns you an ip automatically, which is a dynamic ip, because it changes everytime you log in. (to conserve numbers) There are exceptions for people who are on static, meaning their ip doesn't change.

So when joe connects to his isp via his phoneline/cable etc, the DHCP server at your isp gives you an ip, we'll use the example of 66.137.208.90

Joe's IP is 66.137.208.90, it belongs to him until he disconnects. It can be used to identify and to a certain extent trace him.

Here is where proxies come in. Im not sure if they were created for connection sharing or anonymity, or both. By setting up wingate or any other proxy software you can share your internet connection with other computers that are on your own network. That computer then acts as a gateway for your other machines on your internal network to access the internet.

But

With a misconfigured proxy server, which there are a lot of, ANYONE can access the proxy server and use it for the same purpose it was set up for, sharing its internet connection.

Now when you connect through the proxy through your browser, all/most, websites will recognize you as the proxy machine, lets just say mr.proxy IP is 24.49.59.210

So now when you surf to the friendly little sites, their logs will show you, Joe, as 24.49.59.210
but we all know Joe isn't 24.49.59.210, he's 66.137.208.90

but the site doesn't know that...

The above description of an IP, is as accurate as, a bullet hitting something 1000 miles away.
So feel free to correct any mistakes.

Anyway, how can you be brothers but live in different states?
I think you should re-read that question.

And how would your IPs be the same?
If you lived in the same house or used the same ISP.


However if you meant to say

How could you have the same IP if you lived in different states?
You can't unless the IP is a proxy. Or in some rare cases, if the ISP uses the same class C network (i think its class C) for more then one state. (which is highly unlikely)
Title: This is unfair
Post by: wolf bite on February 20, 2003, 12:38:03 AM
 wow!  On an honest level, that was good. Wow!  I am good at programs, but just learned about IPs a few weeks ago.  I know that the internet was set up for domestic missile defense so that if one computer went down, they would redirect and still launch. So then every site you go to has a recording of who has been there, or at least their IPs. I know about cookiees, but can they trace IPs?

But then it also answers the queston why you could say that you are sure your IP is only used on one account. your the only one that knows how to dub a fake one.

Wolf Bite
Title: This is unfair
Post by: wolf bite on February 20, 2003, 12:48:35 AM
 PS,

I am not brothers with anyone on this game, I never said that, nor has anyone. except you.

There are bros that play this game, I am not one of them. Beatle's bro is warhammer. who knows how many bros there are. But just because my clan of 23 people have 3 bros playing, you say we are cheating and all 23 accounts should be clossed.

I, nor anyone, said that I am in a libary, unless I am breacking in after closing.

So why again am "I" cheating?

Wolf Bite



Title: This is unfair
Post by: Germania 4 on February 20, 2003, 04:47:44 PM
 I know that the internet was set up for domestic missile defense so that if one computer went down, they would redirect and still launch.
Your probably thinking of ARPANET.

So then every site you go to has a recording of who has been there, or at least their IPs
Apache keeps logs, I assume other webserver software does the same.

I know about cookiees, but can they trace IPs
Cookies can be deleted or stopped entirely by a good firewall or other software.
Yes, they can trace IPs.

But then it also answers the queston why you could say that you are sure your IP is only used on one account. your the only one that knows how to dub a fake one.
Oh yes, i'm the only person alive who knows how to dub a fake one. (more retto sarcasm)

I am not brothers with anyone on this game, I never said that, nor has anyone. except you.
Refer me to the post where I said you were brothers with anyone in this game.

So why again am "I" cheating?
Just to refresh your memory. Go
here,
here,
and here
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Blood Wake on February 20, 2003, 05:04:10 PM
 its fair i meen how would you be able to get extra land and just kill who you are at war with if that was against the rules
Title: This is unfair
Post by: Germania 4 on February 20, 2003, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Blood Wakeits fair i meen how would you be able to get extra land and just kill who you are at war with if that was against the rules
That is a good point, however, you missed the fact that we were not at war.