Back stabbers / the TBV
When the TBV / Best war started, I talked to both sides and made truces so that I would not side on either side. I took the emperorship for a few days to have a good view. Then dropped my net to rank 50. I have just been hanging around doing really nothing.
So I decided to take some turns to slap Wildwood around a bit. In doing so my Leader defenses were down. I find that I was ON LINE ATTACKED during TAKING MY TURNS by a clan I have a TRUCE WITH. Seems once they no longer need me to stay out, they change their minds without telling me.
1.1 hours ago You find another warlord viewing your stats!
1.1 hours ago Someone stole $328,424,726 from your treasury, though your guards them from stealing more.
1.1 hours ago Someone stole $305,080,583 from your treasury, though your guards them from stealing more.
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,389,681 Food and $353,638,084!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,347,435 Food and $338,726,345!
1.1 hours ago You find another warlord viewing your stats!
1.1 hours ago You find Allen Rock (#30) attempting to send goodbeasts into your empire!
1.1 hours ago You find another warlord viewing your stats!
1.1 hours ago Attackers destroyed 206,447 of your Loyalty!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,306,473 Food and $324,443,384!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,266,756 Food and $310,762,688!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,228,247 Food and $297,658,861!
1.1 hours ago You find Allen Rock (#30) trying to steal your money!
1.1 hours ago 1% of your forces were eliminated by Allen Rock (#30)!
1.1 hours ago 1% of your forces were eliminated by Allen Rock (#30)!
1.1 hours ago 1% of your forces were eliminated by Allen Rock (#30)!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,190,908 Food and $285,107,579!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,154,705 Food and $273,085,543!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,119,602 Food and $261,570,436!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,085,566 Food and $250,540,883!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,052,565 Food and $239,976,409!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,020,567 Food and $229,857,403!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 989,541 Food and $220,165,083!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 959,459 Food and $210,881,455!
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1042 Acres of Land and destroyed:135,764 RatsYou managed to destroy:45,025 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1342 Acres of Land and destroyed:74,496 Rats21,102 LeadersYou managed to destroy:85,799 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1304 Acres of Land and destroyed:60,410 Rats41,782 LeadersYou managed to destroy:63,473 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 100 Acres of Land and destroyed:47,913 Rats61,419 LeadersYou managed to destroy:20,657 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1985 Acres of Land and destroyed:73,207 Rats39,718 LeadersYou managed to destroy:131,330 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1664 Acres of Land and destroyed:68,311 Rats58,386 LeadersYou managed to destroy:107,351 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 395 Acres of Land and destroyed:35,530 Rats37,756 LeadersYou managed to destroy:80,650 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1903 Acres of Land and destroyed:52,191 Rats18,501 LeadersYou managed to destroy:38,650 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1293 Acres of Land and destroyed:20,748 Rats18,896 LeadersYou managed to destroy:62,290 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 388 Acres of Land and destroyed:15,577 Rats37,414 LeadersYou managed to destroy:61,330 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 444 Acres of Land and destroyed:18,969 Rats54,999 LeadersYou managed to destroy:53,142 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1034 Acres of Land and destroyed:26,919 RatsYou managed to destroy:16,958 Rats
0.7 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1614 Acres of Land and destroyed:9,584 RatsYou managed to destroy:10,205 Rats
0.7 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 414 Acres of Land and destroyed:1,024 RatsYou managed to destroy:4,981 Rats
0.7 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 345 Acres of Land and destroyed:104 RatsYou managed to destroy:893 Rats
0.4 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 2482 Acres of Land and destroyed:294 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:959 Skiffs
0.4 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 2207 Acres of Land and destroyed:307 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:859 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1314 Acres of Land and destroyed:191 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:506 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 2182 Acres of Land and destroyed:52 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:163 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1136 Acres of Land and destroyed:12 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:141 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1769 Acres of Land and destroyed:4 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:94 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 790 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:1 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 489 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1569 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 319 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1605 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1067 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:1 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1050 Acres of Land and destroyed:21,781 LeadersYou managed to destroy:1 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 87 Acres of Land and destroyed:273,569 Food23,831,327 CashYou managed to destroy:3 Skiffs
Not wise
Wolf Bite
QuoteSo I decided to take some turns to slap Wildwood around a bit.
You only attacked me like 7 times, you didn't exactly "slap me around."
Slapped your "sisters" to the max, then got detured with the actions of TBV.
You should thank them.
Wolf Bite
Quote from: wolf biteBack stabbers / the TBV
When the TBV / Best war started, I talked to both sides and made truces so that I would not side on either side. I took the emperorship for a few days to have a good view. Then dropped my net to rank 50. I have just been hanging around doing really nothing.
So I decided to take some turns to slap Wildwood around a bit. In doing so my Leader defenses were down. I find that I was ON LINE ATTACKED during TAKING MY TURNS by a clan I have a TRUCE WITH. Seems once they no longer need me to stay out, they change their minds without telling me.
1.1 hours ago You find another warlord viewing your stats!
1.1 hours ago Someone stole $328,424,726 from your treasury, though your guards them from stealing more.
1.1 hours ago Someone stole $305,080,583 from your treasury, though your guards them from stealing more.
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,389,681 Food and $353,638,084!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,347,435 Food and $338,726,345!
1.1 hours ago You find another warlord viewing your stats!
1.1 hours ago You find Allen Rock (#30) attempting to send goodbeasts into your empire!
1.1 hours ago You find another warlord viewing your stats!
1.1 hours ago Attackers destroyed 206,447 of your Loyalty!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,306,473 Food and $324,443,384!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,266,756 Food and $310,762,688!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,228,247 Food and $297,658,861!
1.1 hours ago You find Allen Rock (#30) trying to steal your money!
1.1 hours ago 1% of your forces were eliminated by Allen Rock (#30)!
1.1 hours ago 1% of your forces were eliminated by Allen Rock (#30)!
1.1 hours ago 1% of your forces were eliminated by Allen Rock (#30)!
1.1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,190,908 Food and $285,107,579!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,154,705 Food and $273,085,543!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,119,602 Food and $261,570,436!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,085,566 Food and $250,540,883!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,052,565 Food and $239,976,409!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 1,020,567 Food and $229,857,403!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 989,541 Food and $220,165,083!
1 hours ago Someone has poisoned 959,459 Food and $210,881,455!
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1042 Acres of Land and destroyed:135,764 RatsYou managed to destroy:45,025 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1342 Acres of Land and destroyed:74,496 Rats21,102 LeadersYou managed to destroy:85,799 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1304 Acres of Land and destroyed:60,410 Rats41,782 LeadersYou managed to destroy:63,473 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 100 Acres of Land and destroyed:47,913 Rats61,419 LeadersYou managed to destroy:20,657 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1985 Acres of Land and destroyed:73,207 Rats39,718 LeadersYou managed to destroy:131,330 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1664 Acres of Land and destroyed:68,311 Rats58,386 LeadersYou managed to destroy:107,351 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 395 Acres of Land and destroyed:35,530 Rats37,756 LeadersYou managed to destroy:80,650 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1903 Acres of Land and destroyed:52,191 Rats18,501 LeadersYou managed to destroy:38,650 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1293 Acres of Land and destroyed:20,748 Rats18,896 LeadersYou managed to destroy:62,290 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 388 Acres of Land and destroyed:15,577 Rats37,414 LeadersYou managed to destroy:61,330 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 444 Acres of Land and destroyed:18,969 Rats54,999 LeadersYou managed to destroy:53,142 Rats
0.8 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1034 Acres of Land and destroyed:26,919 RatsYou managed to destroy:16,958 Rats
0.7 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1614 Acres of Land and destroyed:9,584 RatsYou managed to destroy:10,205 Rats
0.7 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 414 Acres of Land and destroyed:1,024 RatsYou managed to destroy:4,981 Rats
0.7 hours ago Allen Rock (#30) attacked you! Your enemy captured 345 Acres of Land and destroyed:104 RatsYou managed to destroy:893 Rats
0.4 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 2482 Acres of Land and destroyed:294 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:959 Skiffs
0.4 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 2207 Acres of Land and destroyed:307 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:859 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1314 Acres of Land and destroyed:191 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:506 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 2182 Acres of Land and destroyed:52 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:163 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1136 Acres of Land and destroyed:12 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:141 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1769 Acres of Land and destroyed:4 SkiffsYou managed to destroy:94 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 790 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:1 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 489 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1569 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 319 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1605 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:2 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1067 Acres of Land and destroyed:You managed to destroy:1 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 1050 Acres of Land and destroyed:21,781 LeadersYou managed to destroy:1 Skiffs
0.3 hours ago Heya! (#105) attacked you! Your enemy captured 87 Acres of Land and destroyed:273,569 Food23,831,327 CashYou managed to destroy:3 Skiffs
Not wise
Wolf Bite
Leapin' Lizards! That's criminal!
That is OK I can live with them not doing good, and I still have 17 Million net, which I will improve upon soon.
Quote from: wolf biteSlapped your "sisters" to the max
You're obviously suspicious that Wildwood is multi accounting, and not without good reason, so why don't you disable his "sisters" accounts?
Alex, how dumb are you? I am not multi accounting, I already explained that to you. Go ahead and delete my sisters for no reason if you want, I do not care.
Because there is no proof. Obviously. And see? TVB is baddddd... ::disagrees:: And no one would listen... :D
Quote from: WildwoodAlex, how dumb are you? I am not multi accounting, I already explained that to you. Go ahead and delete my sisters for no reason if you want, I do not care.
Flame..
You're old siggy went something like this: Don't worry I'm not multi accounting, my sisters left the game and
I took over for themThat sounds alot like multi-accounting. You told me at school that you were multi-accounting, but you were in no danger because they couldn't prove a thing.
(Sorry for getting off topic)
Wolf bite, did you post this because you wanted revenge? Or what?
QuoteThat sounds alot like multi-accounting. You told me at school that you were multi-accounting, but you were in no danger because they couldn't prove a thing.
When did I say that?!?!? Alex, you are just making stuff up.
You know it's true. Just own up, it's not that big of a deal.
Alex, I am not going to "own up" for something I did not do.
Posted to show my stance at this time.
WAR
Wolf Bite
Oh, I see. I'd be afraid if I were TBV
Hey Wolf. If you need anyhing i'll gladly help you out. TBV is getting on my nerves. Well, not exactly them but thier allies are so either way hitting them give's me something.
you know whats odd, Allen Rock who did all the attacks usually just looks and land and net and doesn't pay attention to who it is, now when you complained to me about the attacks, I told you that he was a rougish individual and that we did not condone the actions and that you should talk to our clan leader to, this basically gave you free reign to attack Allen Rock from his own clan and he was out of the clan in mere minutes, then you online attack ME!? then of course our clan leader attacked you back, but I think you should have thought this through better and could ahve handled it much better.
he left the clan, you attacked juby, orcrist fought back.
1) Allen Rock (nick) and I had been fighting before the truce, all hostilities had stopped after the truce weeks ago. So he knew who I was and what he was doing.
2) His attacks started with steal an poisons as he was watching me take land, so it was designed to harm.
3) After his 4th attack I mailed him that he was breaking a truce. He mailed back that he knew. Then kept going after my assets.
4) I then mailed the only other member of the clan on line, you. You took no responsibility and did nothing besides to tell me to talk to someone that was not available.
5) If I attacked Allen Rock for land, he would only have a even better ratio, I could not attack him with leaders. So I could not retal against him.
6) Went on forum and checked for Ereptor, sent him fast mail.
7) With my ratio vulnerable and knowing that at I was not yet maxed. And even if I let him max me that every hour I could still receive a beating and there was nothing I could do about it, I had to pick up my leaders. Pulled only about 3 mil stoats off market, I used capture on your clan leader to save my ratio from your clan member.
8) Allen Rock changed to army attacks to take the land as I was trying to get my ratio. Which I did.
9) You did nothing.
10) Allen Rock then changed clans so you could take that land that was once mine.
11) He may have sent my stolen money to you.
12) So I attacked you to try to recover my own land and money. I stopped when back to about 30 k land which was were I started in land.
13) Your clan leader Heya! (#105) then came on and took me down to 16k land.
14) I think that shows what his response is.
I guess I could have just sat there being attacked not knowing that Heya was soon to come on or if he would do anything about it. Did I miss something?
Wolf Bite
I made it apparent that you could fight him and that we would not object to you attacking him and he was quickly removed from the clan, we disaccociated ourselves from our beligerant member, he would not follow orders, he was removed, what more could we do. And capture does not get very many leaders, only like 20 per acre I find, so why would you capture attack to save your ratio when It really will only do diddly squat. You had no real excuse to attack me, from our perspective you were taking advantage of the strain he caused in order to attack me and Orcist. We find these actions to be working with the problem rather then towards a solution which says to us that you do not really care for our truce and wanted to ruin it and possibly exploit us and to tarnish our name.
Did you read my post? I could not attack the person attacking me. Using capture as being attacked did fix my ratio, your clan leader is a marten. You only kicked Allen Rock out of the clan after you watched him attack me for 45 minutes, and then only to take my land that he then had. You still have more land then when you started. Your leader did not write me, knowing this was going on, but attacked me.
Wolf Bite
actually I was only made aware of this issue near the end of the conflict, he was out of our clan after about ten or fifteen minutes, we had been trying to reconcile our problems with him but he appeared to be quite commited to what he was doing, so we booted him. We then attacked him for his belligerency. And sometimes you just have to give up your ratio and be agressive with the other person, attacking me and orcist was NOT the proper solution.
I sent you mail when there was about 10 attacks made on me.
giving up my ratio and lossing the rest of my resorces and being plumbited to death may be something you may do, not I.
He foght untill he was out of turns, then started a new clan so you could take his land. Don't give me this you were punishing him stuff. He sent away all his goods, had no turns left, then started a clan called "die". This was done so he could hand his (my) land to you.
Why not address what I said in my post?
When you 2 decided for him to send his land and goods to you, why not to me if you wanted to repair the damage?
If your clan really wanted to stop this, then why did your leader attack me after the fighting had ended?
I think you should be looking at the actions of your clan, not mine in defending my self. For I will do whatever I have to, and if under attack in the speed of the action, who are you to say that of the many things I could have done, that I should have done differant?
Why not go back and read my post about how I was trying to save myself? (I put a lot of work into it)
Wolf Bite
No goods were sent to us, none at all, that assumption is incorrect. Also I attacked him *After* you had attacked me, although I didn't attack you back, I was still not exactly on friendly terms with you so I hope you'll excuse yhe fact that I didn't send aid to the person who online attacked me moments before. My timing is accurate. Quite frankly, I think you are exagerating your peril.
I will personally forgive you Wolf Bite for attacking me Online and I formally apologize for Allen Rock's belligerancy and I assure you we did our best to properly remedy the situation as each new dimension was added. I hope we can put this ugly situation behind us.
Oh... my...
I'm suddenly glad I haven't gotten into a clan yet.
Bye, TBV. Twas nice knowing you...
Juby, now you are showing your fear of Wolf Bite. A lesson for you, never show a wolf you are afraid, it only proves fatal in the end. As well, I notice you are being attacked now by mroe then just Wolf? Time for me to get dirty and shall I say... viscious yet again.
hmmmm, just curious as to how I showed fear? which is hard to beleive because I am not fearful because this situation will probably be resolved peacefully. Also I was attacked by a person whom I attacked recently after they attacked me, it is completely unrelated.
Was it now? Tell me, who exactly was this person who attacked you?
Well I do not want to announce who I am, which is what you appear to be driving at but this person and me have a history of violence.
Yes well, chances are i've attacked you and most likely will continue to do so.
QuoteAlso I attacked him *After* you had attacked me
My timing is accurate. Quite frankly, I think you are exagerating your peril.
*Checks Miguel Figueroa (#29) news*
Nope, Juby had made 22 attacks to taking almost 30,000 land before I made one failed steal and 3 land attacks taking only 7,000 of my land back.
He lied!
Wolf Bite
ahh.... It was only a matter of time before something catastrophic like this would happen.
TBV is clearly in the wrong, and I feel Juby knows more about the entire situation than he is revealing.
Anywho, wolf, I know all too well how frustrating these scenerios can be. Therefore, Just tell me what you need. I am all resources here, and am willing to help you . PM me.
And why is that Cinadrin? I got attacked by wolf bite while online in all this confusion, that is my only part in this. I did not even retaliate so you defending wolf bite against me is quite misguided, and heres and idea, just message the person you attacked and ask if it's Juby, i would prefer you keep who I am to yourself if you are correct though.
Edit:Wolf Snare's word is biased, he was recently booted from out clan for cheating in our clan elections.
Quote from: wolf biteQuoteAlso I attacked him *After* you had attacked me
My timing is accurate. Quite frankly, I think you are exagerating your peril.
*Checks Miguel Figueroa (#29) news*
Nope, Juby had made 22 attacks to taking almost 30,000 land before I made one failed steal and 3 land attacks taking only 7,000 of my land back.
He lied!
Wolf Bite
I seriously doubt that, I bet the timing is mistaken, it often condenses and confuses information after a period of very heightened activity.
Juby, i'm not going to PM any member of TBV because then I would probably be killed. Rather i'll just continue attacking whomever I want in the clan. And another thing i've been attacking your clan well before you attacked Wolf Bite. I'm just going to attack you even more now. Show you what happens to people who think they can start a war and expect to get away without getting a single scratch.
We have made it very clear that we did not want this to happen, also we have all been "scratched", in fact I didn't retaliate when I was attacked, your premise is flawed by the fact that TBV did not set out to do anything nor are we evil as you assume.
I know how to play the game. I was after what is mine and to protect what is mine. I only attacked you because your clan menber that took it was handing it up to you.
I have seen the condensed news wrong, the main page news wrong, but never have I seen the News search wrong. Please check it yourself.
Wolf Bite
Quote from: Juby (Tercios)And why is that Cinadrin? I got attacked by wolf bite while online in all this confusion, that is my only part in this. I did not even retaliate so you defending wolf bite against me is quite misguided, and heres and idea, just message the person you attacked and ask if it's Juby, i would prefer you keep who I am to yourself if you are correct though.
Edit:Wolf Snare's word is biased, he was recently booted from out clan for cheating in our clan elections.
I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are. (It's not like I choose to lie in my posts (coughLikeYoucough*.)
Ahh, and just for clarification, I have been done TBV since you guys killed Nohc. I figured I might as well have some fun before I go. (true story, Don't belive me, your own problem.)
Oh don't worry Juby. I know who you are now. I don't believed i've attacked you... yet. But I assure you, I will be attacking you... very soon. Make no mistake about it, it will be on my own free will. I hate TBV.
This is quite curious, I will be assuredly attacked when I have attacked no one but the very enemy Wolf Bite speaks of, in the last few days I have only attacked Allen Rock, quite curious.
But you attacked him to try to keep my land from me, then complain about the little of it I got back.
Wolf Bite
The whole situation was my fault. I forgot about the little "don't attack wolf bite or windhounds" thing. Wolf messaged me about the truce so I dropped out of TBV to keep them out of my problems. You hit TBV, then I maxed you. Then I decided to delete so I told Juby to take my land before then.
If you want to call someone a backstabber, then im the one. Leave TBV out of it, like I tried to.
Quote from: caedo caelestisThe whole situation was my fault. I forgot about the little "don't attack wolf bite or windhounds" thing. Wolf messaged me about the truce so I dropped out of TBV to keep them out of my problems. You hit TBV, then I maxed you. Then I decided to delete so I told Juby to take my land before then.
If you want to call someone a backstabber, then im the one. Leave TBV out of it, like I tried to.
Thanks Nick for that fresh breath of honesty. I only checked your clan affiliation after the first few on line attacks, the rest of the time I monitored my Main Page (which does not show clan affiliation). You know there is a rule ?If they lower case their name, don?t attack them.? LOL
But that brings up a few issues and leaves many unanswered.
Why does the TBV not take responsibility for at least the actions of their clan members when a member?
If you were not affiliated with TBV anymore, then why attack me for trying to recoup when I attacked them?
Why did the TBV leader attack me without communication when he knew his clan started it?
Why is Juby bragging about how he was defending me in attacking you when you told him to take your land?
Why is Juby saying how mannered he was by not attacking me when he was most likely out of turns?
Wolf Bite
Why does the TBV not take responsibility for at least the actions of their clan members when a member?
The responsibility of my actions were more mine then TBV. I realized I broke a TBV truce, so I resigned from TBV. In no way did I mean to involve TBV in a little fight with you. I had actually meant to quit from TBV but was waiting to talk with Ereptor first, just to make it not seem like I was screwing off on them.
If you were not affiliated with TBV anymore, then why attack me for trying to recoup when I attacked them?
I attacked you after you retaled on TBV because I was trying to convey it was my fight, not theirs. I don't think it's polite to start a small battle and leave them with a war.
Why did the TBV leader attack me without communication when he knew his clan started it?
I can't answer why the TBV leader attacked since I am not him, but I would assume he was just retaling without knowing what was going on. Also remember that Ereptor created the pact with you, not the current leader. By that I only mean he either did not know of the whole truce situtation or otherwise.
Why is Juby bragging about how he was defending me in attacking you when you told him to take your land?
Juby was trying his best to keep the clan in good standings. Politics wolf, you should know them well.
Why is Juby saying how mannered he was by not attacking me when he was most likely out of turns?
For the record, Juby had full or about 3/4 turns when I asked him to kill me.
QuoteWhy does the TBV not take responsibility for at least the actions of their clan members when a member?
The responsibility of my actions were more mine then TBV. I realized I broke a TBV truce, so I resigned from TBV. In no way did I mean to involve TBV in a little fight with you. I had actually meant to quit from TBV but was waiting to talk with Ereptor first, just to make it not seem like I was screwing off on them.
Nicely worded, does not address the question.
QuoteIf you were not affiliated with TBV anymore, then why attack me for trying to recoup when I attacked them?
I attacked you after you retaled on TBV because I was trying to convey it was my fight, not theirs. I don't think it's polite to start a small battle and leave them with a war.
Mail works better. How am I to know what you mean as you are atacking me?
QuoteWhy did the TBV leader attack me without communication when he knew his clan started it?
I can't answer why the TBV leader attacked since I am not him, but I would assume he was just retaling without knowing what was going on. Also remember that Ereptor created the pact with you, not the current leader. By that I only mean he either did not know of the whole truce situtation or otherwise.
Well said
QuoteWhy is Juby bragging about how he was defending me in attacking you when you told him to take your land?
Juby was trying his best to keep the clan in good standings. Politics wolf, you should know them well.
People that want to fix things put their cards on the table. There are times to "spin" the truth and other times that it is an insult.
QuoteWhy is Juby saying how mannered he was by not attacking me when he was most likely out of turns?
For the record, Juby had full or about 3/4 turns when I asked him to kill me.
Okay, your point is made.
Wolf Bite
Why does the TBV not take responsibility for at least the actions of their clan members when a member?
I guess I can't really answer that question either, since the TBV technically isn't me.
Mail works better. How am I to know what you mean as you are atacking me?
I've only really used mail to message someone before I kamakaze them on FAF. Actions speak louder then words, attacking seemed simpler at the time.
People that want to fix things put their cards on the table. There are times to "spin" the truth and other times that it is an insult.
Juby's job is PR. He does a good job at it. That's why he is clan assistant. Just too bad when people who don't read entire threads since its usually a huge waste of mindless bickering ruin it for them. :rolleyes:
Down to the pure and simple:
In the end this could have all been avoided if I had dropped out of TBV before attacking you. For that I appologize to all the unintended parties.
Wolf owns here.
Juby (to put it politely) is talking through his hat. Every post adds another
irrelelevant point, overlooking Wolf's correctness.
The fear thing, Juby, was profusely apologising and trying to make up while a few posts back you were trying pointlessly to be on the offensive and win.
Nick, you're still covering... and overlooking some points. lol.
Even with Nick and Juby both trying to explain everything, this all still sounds extremely fishy. Their stories just don't seem to line up.
Huh? Allies you are not talking about blades are you.
What am I overlooking and covering?
TBV never backstabbed, I did. Wolf retaled on TBV which he thought had backstabbed him and Orcist returned the attacks.
Calria, ignore Juby's posts.
Not sure what little conspiracy theory you guys got going on, but if it was a big plot, it would have been to do something a lot more then what happened.
Just out of curiosity, where did you guys get all this "Online Attacking" is a sin ...?
On line attacking:
Someone you are at war with = all is fair
Someone that has been attacking you = somewhat okay
Someone doing nothing but watching the game = nasty
Someone taking turns = Bad
Attacking them with Leaders = very bad
Someone that is under truce = backstab
Someone taking turns that is under truce and you use leader attacks = Very nasty bad backstabbing
Wolf Bite
Quote from: wolf biteOn line attacking:
Someone you are at war with = all is fair
Someone that has been attacking you = somewhat okay
Someone doing nothing but watching the game = nasty
Someone taking turns = Bad
Attacking them with Leaders = very bad
Someone that is under truce = backstab
Someone taking turns that is under truce and you use leader attacks = Very nasty bad backstabbing
Wolf Bite
Obviously we follow different Redwall Bibles.
Though I do admit the backstabbing thing was my wrong. For that I appologize. Next time I'll make sure im not in a clan with a truce, before attacking you.
I've never heard of a Redwall Bible where online attacking wasn't evil.
Mmm mmm, hitting Juby was FUN!
well now I know who you are Clonetrooper (#24), and you attacked me cause I attacked Allen Rock and kicked him out of the clan, how curious, You attack me because wolf bite attacked me online and I attacked allen rock, and I'm the evil one :lol: . For some reason I suffer attacks because wolf bite is upset and having trouble with another individual who has claimed all responsibility for the attack.
Man, all of you guys worry too much about politics...there is a time for politics, and then there is a time for war...why is this such a big deal?
Wow- Wolf Bite, you're completely wrong here. I happen to be the current leader of TBV, and I'll tell you exactly what happened from my perspective. I log on to my account, it's been a few days so I check up on the clan. I notice Allen Rock has left- he didn't really participate a ton in the clan forum, so I really wasn't surprised and took no notice of it. I also noticed that Juby's net has taken a huge hit. I check and see that it's you who caused this drop. I was furious, as I knew we had a truce, and I checked and saw that Juby had not attacked you. I attacked you down to 16k acres, which I felt (and still feel after reading this topic) you rightly deserved. Next time I try to log in, my account was all messed up. I post in the bug section and log off. Juby im's me and says that you're mad about something, but I just said that I'd deal with whatever problem we had once my account started working again and I could see what was really going on. I log on today, start browsing the forums to see what I've missed, and I see this topic. I can't control what someone else does in my clan, however, Caedo left the clan, whether he actually left the clan or was kicked out I do not know, but he left the clan. In your posts, you have stated that you acknowledged that he left the clan, and then, afterward attacked the clan. You have no right to be angry at TBV in the slightest. I retaliated to your attacks and you come on to the forums to complain about it. If you're mad about the broken truce, then attack Allen Rock, not TBV, as we had no part in it. If you just wanted an excuse to attack TBV, then be more bold about it, but don't go around and whine about a broken truce and act all high and mighty saying that you shall rightfully crusade against the evil TBV, the backstabbers. TBV is innocent, it is Allen Rock who is guilty, and he is no longer a part of the clan. Stop blaming TBV for his actions.
Juby i've said it once and i'll say it again. I'm attacking TBV because I want to attack TBV.
Edit:
Don't worry. Within two months i'll be gone for good anyway.
cinadrin, you promised attacks in this topic, and then did attack, where you had never attacked before, it's painfully obvious.
Take a look at Digital Fortress and other TBV members. I just didn't get to you yet. Had to get the others first. Anyway like I said. I'm gone in approx. 85 days and I wont be coming back.
*curious* why's that? *thinks back to what arnprior is like*are you going to do that tree planting job for the summer?
No I am not doing that tree planting job for the summer. I am moving out west with my dad. I had the choice to stay in town with my mom or leave with my dad. After some unwanted news on my part, iv'e decided to leave Arnprior. In doing so I also get rid of my access to the internet and any contact with anyone in Arnprior for that matter. No big loss if you ask me.
Edit: Just wondering... you sound as though you use to live in Arnprior?
yeah, I moved to Kingston two years ago, I lived in McNab for most of my life, spent a year or two in town though.
Just wondering... is your name mike?
Edit: Alright then, don't answer. Although I am pretty sure I know who you are now and that went to McNab with you. A lower grade then you of course.
Orcrist,
Again thanks for the straightforward response. It is so difficult to deal when people are fixated on non-issues as they avoid points. Have you thought about transferring Juby out of the public relations department?
I disagree with 3 major things about your post.
1) That Juby?s net drop was my responsibility.
Any net drop was before this because his net went up as he got 30K (mostly of my land) from Allen Rock and only lost 7K land back to me.
2) That I rightly deserve to only be left with 16k of my land.
Your clan attacked me for much money and land. Then tried to take the land into juby?s possession to hide it form me. I have a right to my own land.
3) That I should attack Allen Rock for my land back.
Ah, the guy deleted after sending his land up to juby. In case you have not noticed, the game will not allow me to attack dead people.
We are all human, we make mistakes. I have several times accidentally plugged in the wrong number and attacked an ally. Boy did they ever make a profit of that as I made sure that any damage was paid back many times over. When in a clan, we are a group of people and the leaders being the ultimate of responsibility. When leader or assistant I have had uncontrollable people, I have booted them. I have had members do wrong and evil things, I would take the responsibility myself. I have many times let injured innocents allowed to attack me or my clan to replace lost land and have sent great amounts of aid to repay wrong doings.
One thing I would never do would be to say that ?We don?t take responsibility for their actions in not following the clan rules and so go handle it yourself.? Which is your clan?s response.
Wolf Bite
ummmm, sorry cindarin for not answering, I had to run, my name is mike, Wolf, I never said my net dropped, I have consistenly only complained about the fact that I have been attacked online, also, I killed Allen Rock, check my profile, he did not delete. I still think you made a fundementally wrong an altogether hasty decision to assume what was going on and attack me online, I gave you full permission to hit allen rock after all, being in coowhowtz with someone is not a legitimate reason for attack, you attacked me online and many people have focused on me when at the end of the day, all I did was kill Allen Rock and because you online attacked me.
Ah, so I do know you. Well... I never met you personally. I've seen you before and heard of you but that's about it. Anyone who went to McNab and doesn't know me would surprise me. Considering I was the one kid who was beat on Every single day of school, not to mentioned being made fun of. Hey... an I thought things changed in high school. Man was I wrong. Oh well, i'm leaving, yay!
hmmmmm, how many grades below me were you?
I'm thinking 2. I think you are the same age as my brother. I can't really remember though.
My name: Joey
Brother's name: Tony
Ohhhhhhhhhhh man, I know exactly who you are, your from waba aren't you?
Yes I am. Won't be for long, parents are breaking up and selling the house and my brother says he is moving to Sudbury.
Tony's moving to Sudbury? poor Tony, yeah, hmmmmmm, It's kind of funny that I'm playing this game, cause I've never read those books that are talked aboot here, my friend morley, who used to play here (anyone know him?) got me hooked :lol: . And yeah, sad about your parents and I know this is cliche to say, but speaking from experience, everything'll turn out fine.
Lol. Yea, I USE to read the books. Stopped though after some lil bugger stole Martin the Warrior from me and I decided I was getting too old to read about little animals that kill each other with swords, spears, etc. Just cuz I know who you are now doesn't mean i'm going to stop attacking TBV though. I still have some time left to raise a little |-|ell so that's what i'm going to do >: ^_^
and don't think I'm going to let you get away with squat because your leaving or I feel for your domestic situation :D .
Is that a challenge!? :unsure:
Hehe, I am going to get you so badly it wont be able to be considered funny. It will go beyond killing or online attacking ^_^.
Oh, this will be fun. I still have to talk to Peace bout me leaving cuz he doesn't know yet. He's gonna flip when he fidns out why. Oh well. Btw, mind telling me who sgt.reed is? He is really getting on my nerves. Niether one of us wants to stop attacking the other and it just isn't fun anymore.
All you arnprior people ever heard of an older lad named wolfie?
Ok- Wolf Bite. That's my bad.
1) I thought that you had caused Juby's net drop because you had quite a few attacks on her and quite recently too. That was a natural assumption.
2) Because I now see that you were not completely responsible, if responsible at all, for Juby's net drop, I apologize for attacking you.
3)Yes, Allen Rock is ineligible for attacks now. I'll accept the blame for those attacks since he won't and I'm the leader of the clan. What do you want as repayment?
Orcrist is evil to attack people that are online. :ph34r: Hehe...
i can never attack people online.. (when i had an acount that is) cos no one is ever online!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
That's horrible!!! :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
Thank you Orcrist. All I was asking was to be but back by your clan to where I was before the attack, nothing more.
I don't see that I must start attacking other people to get my land back. I have nothing against anyone in the game and really don't want to be in a war with you nor have someone else retal on me for trying to get back even at their expence.
I will finish this in "in game Mail."
Wolf Bite
QuoteJuby's net drop because you had quite a few attacks on her
Juby is a guy :unsure: :blink:
Aren't we all one big HAPPY family?
well isn't this just great, I got dropped by Wolf Bite down to 6 000 acres with a message saying that were doing peace talks. So he attacks me cause he knows I won't attack him back and jeopridize my clan. So let's get this straight, I kill Allen Rock, I get attacked by Wolf Bite ONLINE, I get attacked by a bunch of people who are mad because wolf bite was made, then wolf bite attacks me really hard. These actions are just terrible, wolf bite, after finding out that allen rocks actions are rogue actions and he can attack him, attacks me online because he's "suspicious", he pulls peoples heart strings and I get attacked by others further, he finds out that the truce is being fixed up is going to happen soon so he attacks me more? I have very little land, most of which I got off blue moon and a couple others and wolf bite is still attacking me cause why? no clue, he's just being unhonourable.
Juby, next time you want land, don't take it from blue moon. Just going to make me attack you more ^_^
I would think we would all be happy that I dropped blue moon.
edit: FYI, wolf gave me a full 21 attacks
Ahhhh juby read the posts and check the time stamps.
I had held off untill last night to start the attacks on the TBV. I did so because no agreement could be reached. This morning Oricrist said he was open for talks. So everyting has stopped. You have not been attack since Your Leader came to the table to talk.
*slaps head into keyboard*
Wolf Bite
But you knew full well that the truce was always on, has TBV attacked you since the day of the incident where allen attacked you, you attacked me and orcist attacked you? it has always said on our MOTD, Do Not hit Gonff The Mousetheif. I had never attacked you, you knew we weren't going to attack you, you still decided to do these things.
Why would I be happy Juby? I am in Obfus lol. Therefore you attacled my clan member so I wouldn't be happy. Same thing probably goes with anyone in clans. You attack one member the rest get mad.
errr, didn't realize you were obfus :lol:
Lol. Of course I am in Obfus! It has the most chance of being targeted so I joined. I always join the clans that have no chance. Only once did I join a clan that dominated the top 10 and that was Slayer when it was run by Xen and Wolf. Those were the days... oh well, i'm still going to crush someones empire possibly tomorrow if my brother doesn't decide to come home. Mmmm so much loyalty I love my leader ratio.! Thank you sgt.reed!!!
*watches fight*
it's strange I haven't been attacked, I'm rank 6th :lol:
Issue resolved?
No, I got attacked 21 times early this morning by Wolf Bite, Wolf Bite had previously attacked me online. I had killed Allen Rock, that's it. I'm left with 6 K, Wolf has more land then when this started. If I attacked Wolf it would have made sense but I've been sitting on my hands this whole time.
I started with 33K land. I have less now then when I started. Only 4 attacks on me have not been by your clan. I had much money taken and distroyed when a member was still holding your clan flag (tag).
You had added the land that Allen Rock gave to you that was 30K land to the about 15K that you had before.
Had you taken action on being responcable for the actions of your clan besides assiting him in trying to hide my land from me, then none of this would be going on.
Please go back and read this topic again.
Wolf Bite
I didn't do squat to you, I never attacked you, and you have attacked the snot out of me, Allen Rock took responsibility for the incident, you knew at the time you attacked me ONLINE, that his actions were rogue actions and did not represent TBV. You attacked me 21 times AFTER I had already been robbed for land and made it back off blue moon and a couple others. I have not attacked you. Don't tell me what to take responsibility for, I have done nothing, I gave you permission to attack Allen Rock, desperation for your leaders does not make it acceptable for you to attack me nor do you have any excuse for attacking me 21 times early this morning, take responsiblity for yourself more your laspe of good judgement for attacking me repeatedly when I have never attacked you.
Please read this topic. You told me I could attack a person that you were attacking for all his land, thus as I am not in a clan he was maxed. You quickly took the benefit of him taking my land by him agreeing to hand it to you. So yes, I did attack you on line as you were scooping up my land from a target I could not hit.
Please read this topic.
Wolf Bite
I've read this entire topic considering I have been active part of it, your claims have proven inconsistent, for example earlier you claimed that Allen Rock deleted, turns out I killed him personnally, your assumption in this whole thing is that I am a scheming and cunniving and honourless opponent. This is untrue, i have consistently proven that I am an honourable warlord in this game. You consistently assume the worst possibility is true. You also never bothered to adress why you maxed me this morning, after all, none of this land was ever yours, it was just a malicous and unprovoked attack. All you know is that I attacked and killed Allen Rock after he broke the truce between our clan and you, I also gave you permission to fully attack him, your assumption that we are in cawhotz is not a fact, it's an assumption. You knew full well that his actions did not represent BV and that he was a rogue and that it said in MOTD not to hit you and therefore all knowledge suggests that a truce still existed between TBV and you and that Allen Rock was now an enemy of all, he even took full responsiblity for the incident, yet you still online attacked me despite my assurances of a truce between us based on an assumption with no facts to support it. Not only that, you later maxed me out for no apparent reason then I suppose a dislike of me and frustration with the total lack of evidence to support your wild accusations.
Quote from: caedo caelestis
Then I decided to delete so I told Juby to take my land before then.
Please read this topic again them.
You told me to attack someone for my land back, then you took all their land before I could.
Wolf Bite
if he deleted, how do you suppose I killed him? and you still have not gave an acceptable reason for attacking me 21 times this morning
Because it was a dirty trick of yours to take all the land from the only target I have?
I anounced that I was going to start attacking TBV. And I waited a few days before I did. thus fair. Your leader then called for a truce to talk, I stopped. This is why you did not also get 21 attacks today.
Wolf Bite
He attacked you because he chose to attack you, plain and simple. Now stop arguing. Arguing won't get you your land back! *shakes fist*
A) I was never informed of an announcement
B) The truce was always on, you were well aware that Allen Rocks actions were rogue actions, the truce never disappeared, this whole time our MOTD has said Do Not Hit Gonff The Mousetheif. I beleive you merely attacked me because you knew I would be too honourable to attack you back
C) Dirty trick, that is an assumption and I'll thank you to stick to the facts.
D) If you were so determined to get the land back that I took in killing Allen Rock, should you have not attacked my attackers since then to get your land back, because if me attacking the person who attacked you means you should attack me, shouldn't you be attacking the people who attacked me after I attacked Allen Rock after he attacked you?
My head hurts from walking into the same wall over and over.
You guys can keep this going without me.
Wolf Bite
Who said I was still in it? :unsure:
I just said that you two should arguing about it. Besides, it's Just A Game! ^_^
My issue here is that wolf bite has played dishonourably and have had my image tarnished and at the end of the day, I am left with 6 K, and I am not allowed to retaliate. I have been royally messed up and I look like hte bad guy at the end of it.
*coughMaybeBecauseYouAreTheBadGuy?cough*
hey, now that's mean, I never even retaliated to wolf bite, I just took repeated attacks from him, repeated heavy attacks.
That is only one part of the argument. The other parts you continue to ignore, and all I have seen you do is argue that "You were unfairly attacked by wolf bite", over and over and OVER and over again. Wolf Bite has pointed out other facts that have negated your claim several times. Frankly, it's getting annoying that you keep saying something a zillion times.
how has he negated my arguements, I did diddly squat, he just thinks he can do whatever he wants because I = evil. the whole point of this is that he ruthlessly attacked me, with full knowledge that allen rock was commiting rogue actions and was quickly booted, simply because he saw the opertunity to take advantage of me cause he knew I was not going to jeopridize the truce. Did I once attack wolf, nope, he however online attacked me and then attacked me 21 times this morning, he's just using Allen rock's actions as far as it'll take him.
Whatever. This is going back to what everyone else said before me, and it isn't even my argument anyways. I'm going to stop arguing now, because (As with many other arguments) there's no point to it.
Oy! Unless you were in it, give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: Orcrist3)Yes, Allen Rock is ineligible for attacks now. I'll accept the blame for those attacks since he won't and I'm the leader of the clan. What do you want as repayment?
I won't? Thought I did already.
Quote from: GermaniaI won't? Thought I did already.
In here you did, but in-game you're unavaliable for more retribution.
So because he's gone it is perfectly acceptable to Scapegoat me?
Okay Juby, with your post about ?am I evil,? let me try this one more time and in a different way.
You were a great leader of the Loren clan. Honorable and noble. It is just that you are not seeing what everyone else sees in these circumstances. You keep fixating on ?but he did that to me.? Just like in a schoolyard fight, you can?t only look at the last punch to see who started it.
Lets do mutable choice.
1) As a leader of a clan, you are told that at the very moment a truce is being broken. Do you:
a) immediately step in and take action to stop the rouge attacker and defend the player under truce
b) take no responsibility and do nothing
2) After the rouge that breached the truce has wiped out the person under truce. Do You:
a) talk the rouge player into regaining face with the clan by letting the injured player get their land back.
b) make an secrete agreement with the rouge player to take all his land and thereby keep it from the injured player
3) when the indicants are brought out into the open, do you:
a) admit that the rouge player asked you to take the land and give that land back to the injured player
b) make it look as if you were punishing the rouge player
4) When everything is done, what should the clan do:
a) make a deal with the injured player that was under truce to put them back to where they would have been had your clan not breached the truce
b) take no responsibility for any actions your clan may have done
Now, like any good chess game, try this from the other point of view.
5) When under attack from a clan under truce, should I:
a) make every attempt at contacting the rouge player, and the clan leaders
b) attack the rouge player and his clan without yet knowing what is going on.
6) If the attempt to contacting the clan and the rouge did not help and I need leaders to protect myself from further attacks. Do I:
a) Attack under capture from the clan that is attacking me
b) either sit and be slaughtered, attack my attack thus giving him even a better ratio to harm me more, waste all my turns trying to gain leaders, or attack other people under capture that are not involved
7) Once I got my ratio under control because of the massive attacks on me. I try to attack my attacker, but find that he is maxed out by one of his clan leaders. Do I:
a) Attack the clan leader to get some of my land back.
b) Sit and do nothing and just give up the game
8) If the clan that had broken the truce (whether unintentional or not) had benefited in 30K of land over the incident and I had lost billions of cash and most of my land, do I:
a) demand restitution from that clan
b) toss my hands up in the air
9) After the first round of fighting is over and the clan seems unwilling to make a deal, do I:
a) Make a post to try to get the other clan to take responsibility
b) Ether do noting or attack that clan massively
10) If that clan refuses to give any restitution nor even take responsibility in the forum, do I:
a) declare war on that clan
b) break the truces I have with the rest of the game to try to recoup my losses from people not involved
11) When that clan says that they are willing to go to the bargaining table with me over the incident, do I:
a) cease-fire immediately and notify those I had attacked in the clan that a temporary cease-fire has been called.
b) Expect those I attacked in the clan to retaliate on me during the cease-fire.
I would really like to direct you to take each of these questions in order and put down what you think should be done. I think that had you picked (a) in the first part, then none of the second part would have existed. On my side, I again picked all the (a) choices.
Please, please without going off topic, can you respond to each one of the questions?
Again, I do not think you are wrong, just not seeing the whole picture.
Wolf Bite
I did both of a few, I told him that he was online attacking you and he wasn't supposed to, I deffered you to the clan leader, he was booted, I helped him kill himself, I assured you the truce was still on, I didn't even respond to your online attacks, I notified Orcirst. I was made assitant leader by default just recently, I was not yet told our diplomatic position by Ereptor or Orcirst. I am not responisble for getting you your restitution, Allen Rock did not give aid to anyone. You see here's where the problem really happened, you made a brash and hasty decision, Allen Rock commited Rouge acts, I assured you they were rogue acts and deffered you to Orcirst, you could have waited for assured mediation, instead you jumped the gun, and online attacked me, after which Orcirst when he got online, attacked you. Had you been patient and hearing that Allen Rock was committing rogue actions and waited to discuss retribution with Orcirst, you probably would have been successful, it is a testament to my devotion to mediation in that I did not retaliate, you on the other hand, did not even wait to talk to our clan leader. And as far as a cease fire, as far as I was concerned, the truce was still on because you were well aware that his were rouge acts, I said you could do what you wanted to allen rock and assured you the truce was still on for the rest of the clan. And stop using your ratio as an excuse, whoopity doo if your ratio goes down, it is not that big of deal, I get my ratio messed up almost daily, that is not an excuse for anything. On top of that, after this issue climaxed and the detente happened, our clan was under the impression that you knew, just as I had told you, that the truce was still on, we've apologied for allen rock's actions and he did personally as well. And then you claim mediation had failed quite bizarrely and attack me 21 times, I did all I could, I am not the leader of this clan, your actions were inappropriate and hasty.
Quote from: wolf bite
Please, please without going off topic, can you respond to each one of the questions?
When everything is looked at in a mess of facts taken out of order, it is hard to see the picture.
Could you try to deal with it somting like "In question 1, I think that ...."
I really am not trying to give you a hard time, just to get you on the same page.
Wolf Bite
uggghhhh, tedious
here's what I did:
- I told him what he was online attacking you, that he was not supposed to and tried to get him to stop.
- I booted him.
- I helped him kill himself.
- I assured you the truce was still on.
- I didn't even respond to your online attacks.
- I notified Orcirst
Here is why this is all I did:
- I was made assitant leader by default just recently.
- I was not yet told our diplomatic position by Ereptor or Orcirst.
- I am not responisble for getting you your restitution as assitant leader, that is not within my bounds.
- Allen Rock did not give aid to anyone, you are factually incorrect here.
Here is where I beleive the problem lies
- you made a brash and hasty decision
- Allen Rock commited Rouge acts.
- I assured you they were rogue acts and deffered you to Orcirst.
- you could have waited for assured mediation
- instead you jumped the gun, and online attacked me.
- after which Orcirst when he got online, he attacked you
- Had you been patient and hearing that Allen Rock was committing rogue actions and waited to discuss retribution with Orcirst, you probably would have been successful.
- It is a testament to my devotion to mediation in that I did not retaliate, you on the other hand, did not even wait to talk to our clan leader.
And as far as a cease fire
- as far as I was concerned, the truce was still on because you were well aware that his were rouge acts.
- I said you could do what you wanted to allen rock and assured you the truce was still on for the rest of the clan.
- After this issue climaxed and the detente happened, our clan was under the impression that you knew, just as I had told you, that the truce was still on.
- We've apologied for allen rock's actions and he did personally as well.
Then you claim mediation had failed quite bizarrely and attack me 21 times.
- Why would we be seeking mediation when we beleived that we were at status quo ante bellum? This whole time we thought the truce was still on because you knew that allen rock's actions were rouge actions, We thought the actions of that day were over and were moving on.
- You were well aware of the fact that we were not going to attack you because I had told you that the truce was still on with the exception of Allen Rock.
And stop using your ratio as an excuse
whoopity doo if your ratio goes down, it is not that big of deal, I get my ratio messed up almost daily, that is not an excuse for anything.
Patience is a virtue which you uncharecteristacally lacked in this instance, If you had been more patient, retribution would have been assured, instead you scapegoated me in Allen Rock's abscence, I am not the supreme decision maker for my clan, it was completely appropriate for me to defer you up the ladder to orcirst.
*bumps* so what else should I have done?
Ok- everyone chill out a little bit. Let's diffuse this situation. Juby, I understand that you're mad because you got heavily attacked, and Wolf Bite, I believe you are mad for the same reason. Now reasonably, since neither of you has a ton of land, the logical solution would be to attack people who DO have land.
Secondly, Sorry that I haven't been around, but Wolf Bite has contacted me and I'm trying to work out another truce. Please stop attacking each other because that isn't really helping negotiations.
Thirdly, since Wolf Bite wanted those questions answered and Juby has not yet gotten around to it, I'll do it.
1) As a leader of a clan, you are told that at the very moment a truce is being broken. Do you:
a) immediately step in and take action to stop the rouge attacker and defend the player under truce
((This is what I attempted to do but the rogue attacker was already stopped by Juby))
2) After the rouge that breached the truce has wiped out the person under truce. Do You:
a) talk the rouge player into regaining face with the clan by letting the injured player get their land back.
((This is what I am in the process of trying to do right now- the getting the land back part))
3) when the indicants are brought out into the open, do you:
a) admit that the rouge player asked you to take the land and give that land back to the injured player
4) When everything is done, what should the clan do:
a) make a deal with the injured player that was under truce to put them back to where they would have been had your clan not breached the truce
((Once again, this IS what I'm TRYING to do, but all this arguement isn't helping out at all))
From Wolf Bite's Point of View:
5) When under attack from a clan under truce, should I:
a) make every attempt at contacting the rouge player, and the clan leaders
6) If the attempt to contacting the clan and the rouge did not help and I need leaders to protect myself from further attacks. Do I:
a) Attack under capture from the clan that is attacking me
((Note- the attempt contacting the clan is helping, so I'm not sure how much this applies))
7) Once I got my ratio under control because of the massive attacks on me. I try to attack my attacker, but find that he is maxed out by one of his clan leaders. Do I:
a) Attack the clan leader to get some of my land back.
((Two things, first of all- the clan leader also needs land, secondly, I am quite glad you didn't do this :)))
8) If the clan that had broken the truce (whether unintentional or not) had benefited in 30K of land over the incident and I had lost billions of cash and most of my land, do I:
a) demand restitution from that clan
((Note- the other answers for 7 & 8 were kinda ridiculous- there are other alternatives, but we don't have to get into that))
9) After the first round of fighting is over and the clan seems unwilling to make a deal, do I:
a) Make a post to try to get the other clan to take responsibility
((We did take responsibility, as did Caedo (edit to one of my last posts for saying that he didn't))
10) If that clan refuses to give any restitution nor even take responsibility in the forum, do I:
NEITHER- This doesn't apply. I did offer to give restitution!!
11) When that clan says that they are willing to go to the bargaining table with me over the incident, do I:
a) cease-fire immediately and notify those I had attacked in the clan that a temporary cease-fire has been called.
Finally, I think that this really needs to be resolved right now. Juby and Wolf Bite, we had a longstanding truce that was broken through not real fault of the clans, but our handling of it was slightly unclear. If everyone who really isn't involved could please NOT post here so that we can resolve this, I'd appreciate it. Finally, Wolf Bite- I am currently working on ideas for restitution for your massive loss of land (happened to me and Juby too). I sent you a quick reply to your in game message cuz I was kinda outta time. If you have any ideas, I'm always open to suggestions.
Thank you Orcrist,
I was mostly displeased with Juby scooping up the land from Allen Rock before I could recover it. I am at peace with all players until they show me differently. So I could not recover my land from others in first strikes against them. Juby did not pick any of the (a) answers when dealing with this matter.
As far as the second half, all of those did have relevance before you came back and started dealing with this. I was trying to show Juby why I did the actions I did based on what I knew at the time.
I had made the questionnaire to show what decisions were made at the time they were made.
And for the rest of the game that are watching these talks, Orcrist and I have worked out an agreement that does not involve aid nor land transfers. TBV has regained it honor in its offer of restitution.
Wolf Bite
errrr. good enough put er there wolf bite *extends hand*. And the reason I wasn't answering in the format you provided cause it just wasn't as cut and dry as some would think, some of the choices were both partly correct and some just weren't right, but ah well, this is getting to philosophical for a tuesday, Modernism vs post modernism, current school work mirroring redwall *shudders*