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Title: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 09, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
Please note. This post is for Christians or people who believe there is a god to discuss Christianity. If all you want to do is pick a fight... DON'T POST. I have picked enough fights being here and wish for no more. If you want to have a heart to heart conversation about God... THEN PLEASE POST.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 09, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
Well this is Redwall Warlords, not a Christian support group. There are plenty of other venues for this topic, please post it there. Will an admin or mod please lock/remove this topic?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: windhound on May 09, 2013, 05:55:53 PM
Eh.  Wyanor, you've tried this before without success.
I'm not sure what you want this topic to be for. 

I recommend something like http://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity or other site if you'd like to discuss how great your faith is without taking any feedback.

I guess I'm going to move this to Spa...  its not really a general discussion topic, and due to the lack of discussion it doesn't belong in UMD either.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Shadow on May 09, 2013, 06:06:34 PM
windy for shame! Spa isn't GD's garbage dump!

It's cool it totally is
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 09, 2013, 06:09:58 PM
I respect your opinion, but Catianity is the one true religion.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 09, 2013, 06:11:17 PM
Lemme just say that I hate people who try to shove their religious crap in everyone's faces.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Shadow on May 09, 2013, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: Drakus on May 09, 2013, 06:11:17 PM
Lemme just say that I hate people who try to shove their religious crap in everyone's faces.
Lookin' at you, Ungatt.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 09, 2013, 06:14:24 PM
I'M JUST SAYING.

Ceiling Cat knows what you do when you're alone. And he watches.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 10, 2013, 05:17:21 AM
Man I hope RWL is still around when this kid grows up so he can look back at these posts.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 10, 2013, 07:48:19 AM
(http://global3.memecdn.com/do-you-have-time-to-talk-about-jesus-christ_o_907265.jpg)
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Kilkenne on May 10, 2013, 10:23:53 AM
this is by far the best thread
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 10, 2013, 10:25:43 AM
Quote from: Camaclue on May 10, 2013, 07:48:19 AM
(http://global3.memecdn.com/do-you-have-time-to-talk-about-jesus-christ_o_907265.jpg)
Camaclue, I say this with a great deal of reluctance, but you have finally produced a post worthy of approval. Well done.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:23:02 AM
Stuff that picture up your nose. :P
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 11:26:56 AM
Quote from: Firetooth on May 10, 2013, 10:25:43 AM
Quote from: Camaclue on May 10, 2013, 07:48:19 AM
(http://global3.memecdn.com/do-you-have-time-to-talk-about-jesus-christ_o_907265.jpg)
Camaclue, I say this with a great deal of reluctance, but you have finally produced a post worthy of approval. Well done.
agreed.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:27:47 AM
"... the toast is burning say far well! Cause they don't serve breakfast in Hell!"
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 11:29:58 AM
no such place
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:32:24 AM
Oh you'll see one day. Everyone will know. Might make an effort to avoid that place. Or dress lightly because I hear it's hot. Very, very hot and  painful. But if you want to take a risk...
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 11:36:32 AM
You religious folk 'r funny. to base your lives on a fictional story someone wrote a couple thousand years ago. MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
Yes it does. I like the sound of eternal life and streets paved with gold better than eternal damnation. And would rather not risk it. And besides the universe is to complex to have just evolved out of nothing. There was and is a designer.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
And I'll have you know that we religious folk out number the non religious folk and there are more Christians than non Christians. God is there whether you see him or not. Can you see air, no, but it's there. You don't have to see to believe.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:45:48 AM
I don't see why it's so hard to try believing. Why is it so hard to say "He lives" I know you can't see Him. But, the fact is you do. You see him in every man, woman, and child. They are His image and children. He breathed life into them. he sends us trials to test our faith, to see if we will believe in Him or give up because everyone else didn't. I believe.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
Yes it does. I like the sound of eternal life and streets paved with gold better than eternal damnation. And would rather not risk it. And besides the universe is to complex to have just evolved out of nothing. There was and is a designer.
Because it sounds nice it must be true!
As an agnostic (a big word you probably dont know) i also believe there was some....cosmic force that created us. But its name wasnt jesus
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:45:48 AM
I don't see why it's so hard to try believing. Why is it so hard to say "He lives" I know you can't see Him. But, the fact is you do. You see him in every man, woman, and child. They are His image and children. He breathed life into them. he sends us trials to test our faith, to see if we will believe in Him or give up because everyone else didn't. I believe.
no.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:50:06 AM
Agnostic is someone who believes we were not created by a god. And no I didn't grab a dictionary you dimbo.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 11:57:51 AM
maybe you should have jack [Behind]
"a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience."
Meaning we a higher being may or may not exist
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 10, 2013, 12:02:15 PM
If god is benevolent he should be incapable of evil and incapable of creating anything capable of evil. But he did by your words. Thus god is evil and so are you, heretic!
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
That was beautiful  :'(
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 12:05:29 PM
did you by chance laugh while reading any of his posts?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 12:07:30 PM
oh and your going to burn in a fictional place of hotness for that post!
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Sharptooh on May 10, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:27:47 AM
"... the toast is burning say far well! Cause they don't serve breakfast in Hell!"

far well?

And hell isn't really mentioned in the bible as far as I'm concerned
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 12:10:47 PM
i think the kids cheese done slide of his cracker.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Sharptooh on May 10, 2013, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: Wyanor on May 10, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
Yes it does. I like the sound of eternal life and streets paved with gold better than eternal damnation. And would rather not risk it. And besides the universe is to complex to have just evolved out of nothing. There was and is a designer.

The Universe is so complex it can't have come from nothing?

Ok, a creator is more complicated than the things he creates right? So God is more complicated than the universe - but where did he come from? Apparently someone tells me complex things have to be created so something must have made god?

Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Kilkenne on May 10, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Sharptooh on May 10, 2013, 12:13:42 PM
something must have made god?

GODCEPTION
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 10, 2013, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: Typhon on May 10, 2013, 11:26:56 AM
Quote from: Firetooth on May 10, 2013, 10:25:43 AM
Quote from: Camaclue on May 10, 2013, 07:48:19 AM
(http://global3.memecdn.com/do-you-have-time-to-talk-about-jesus-christ_o_907265.jpg)
Camaclue, I say this with a great deal of reluctance, but you have finally produced a post worthy of approval. Well done.
agreed.
kthx
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 11, 2013, 06:04:52 AM
Religion is for those who seek not knowledge but complacent comfort. Like you, Wyanor.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 11, 2013, 07:24:54 AM
Quote from: WyanorAnd I'll have you know that we religious folk out number the non religious folk and there are more Christians than non Christians in America. God is there whether you see him or not. Can you see air, no, but it's there. You don't have to see to believe.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 11, 2013, 07:40:29 AM
When I get to hell, I figure I'll conquer it. It's kind of like the final challenge.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 11, 2013, 07:47:25 AM
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/193/095/3803493733_4c25af6b8f.jpg)
Raptor Jesus is the One true way man. He went extinct for our sins then came back in Jurassic Park.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 12, 2013, 10:10:43 AM
This thread is pointless now.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 12, 2013, 11:19:19 AM
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 12, 2013, 06:21:11 PM
thats what happens to all spa topics
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Krowdon on May 13, 2013, 04:54:45 AM
Friends this topic is not lost. We must pray.

(http://i.imgur.com/V75bpTz.jpg)
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 13, 2013, 07:08:28 AM
I agree!

oh heavenly ceiling cat...
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 13, 2013, 07:18:17 AM
Ceiling cat?
it's all abut Raptor Jesus you heathen
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 13, 2013, 10:21:45 AM
Your all fools.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 13, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
*you're all fools.

And yeah, this may be getting a bit mean.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 13, 2013, 10:26:01 AM
That's my point. We should delete it and I will refrain from posting things like this thread.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Kilkenne on May 13, 2013, 11:42:28 AM
Heh.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Raggon on May 13, 2013, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: Sharptooh on May 10, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
And hell isn't really mentioned in the bible as far as I'm concerned

Think you miscounted. It is mentioned, not by name because Hell is an English term, about 50 times in the Bible.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Krowdon on May 13, 2013, 07:07:14 PM
Quote from: Raggon on May 13, 2013, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: Sharptooh on May 10, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
And hell isn't really mentioned in the bible as far as I'm concerned

Think you miscounted. It is mentioned, not by name because Hell is an English term, about 50 times in the Bible.

examples?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 13, 2013, 07:09:10 PM
I gave a huge anti-religion speech in art class. No one listened.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Krowdon on May 13, 2013, 07:11:36 PM
Why would you do that in art class. Doesnt seem the place.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 13, 2013, 09:19:10 PM
rants are an art style
duh
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 13, 2013, 09:37:38 PM
QuoteThink you miscounted. It is mentioned, not by name because Hell is an English term, about 50 times in the Bible.

Actually, it's not. I wrote a big rant about this awhile back. The words that are translated as "Hell" in the English version of the Bible do not actually mean "Hell".

Go here if you want to read it: http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?topic=16820.msg354043#msg354043
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Raggon on May 14, 2013, 04:51:24 PM
QuoteThe sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each one was judged according to his deeds.  Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death – the lake of fire.

This is in Revelation 20:13-14

QuoteAnd these (people not saved) will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

This is in Matthew 25:46

QuoteIt will be this way at the end of the age. Angels will come and separate the evil from the righteous 13:50 and throw them into the fiery furnace,  where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mathew 13:49-50

Quoteit's unlikely Christ told his followers to accept a pagan belief, so Hades likely means the same thing as Sheol, when Jesus uses the word.

These two are completely unrelated. And even if Jesus was a liar, he wouldn't tell anyone to follow a religion other than his. So yes, It is very likely.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Kilkenne on May 14, 2013, 06:42:08 PM
Oooh are we quoting our favorite books now?

"In France, a chemist named Pilatre de Rozier tested the flammability of hydrogen by gulping a mouthful and blowing across an open flame, proving at a stroke that hydrogen is indeed explosively combustible and that eyebrows are not necessarily a permanent feature of one's face." 

Bill Bryson A Short History of Nearly Everything
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 14, 2013, 08:13:08 PM
"stuff"

Author a bok
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Kilkenne on May 15, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Camaclue on May 14, 2013, 08:13:08 PM
"stuff"

Author a bok

a good post

by camaclue
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 15, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: Kilkenne on May 15, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Camaclue on May 14, 2013, 08:13:08 PM
"stuff"

Author a bok

a good post

by camaclue
...said nobody ever!!!!!!111
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 15, 2013, 06:11:52 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on May 15, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: Kilkenne on May 15, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Camaclue on May 14, 2013, 08:13:08 PM
"stuff"

Author a bok

a good post

by camaclue
...said nobody ever!!!!!!111
- Nobody ever
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 15, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
Raggon... I'm not sure you even understood my post.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 15, 2013, 08:52:04 PM
you tell him mister!
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Raggon on May 16, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Well then Volkov, enlighten me on the meaning of your post, because I do not know what you are trying to say.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 17, 2013, 07:04:25 AM
I am trying to say that Hell is not mentioned in the Bible, and the uses of the word Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus in the Bible do not mean "Hell", as in the place of fire and torment you go too when you die, as is classically thought of by Christians, even though they are commonly translated as such. That is not biblical at all, but rather an invention of the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 17, 2013, 07:18:36 AM
So what are the phrases "eternal punishment", "the second death - the lake of fire", and the thing about the evil being thrown into the fiery furnace that Raggon quoted in reference to if it is not Hell?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 17, 2013, 07:32:26 AM
...hell?
*gets ravaged by thrown books*
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 17, 2013, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Genevieve on May 17, 2013, 07:18:36 AM
So what are the phrases "eternal punishment", "the second death - the lake of fire", and the thing about the evil being thrown into the fiery furnace that Raggon quoted in reference to if it is not Hell?
It's all interpretive. Getting thrown into a lake of fire doesn't mean eternal punishment, and "eternal punishment" can easily be interpreted as annihilation. With the whole "raising from the dead thing," the point is life and death now are only temporary, as we all rise for judgement or w/e, I don't exactly remember. That means if we die now, that is not proper punishment as it is not eternal. Hence, getting judged for being wicked results in death with no chance of a resurrection, hence "eternal punishment" is permanent death, instead of being resurrected and getting to live forever.

That is how I was taught to interpret those scriptures when I was young and still believed all this stuff.  Just to cast some more light on the matter. Hades/Sheol are also not synonymous with Gehenna, though the church translates them to mean the same thing: hell. Hades/Sheol are not associated with a fiery death.

Basically, these passages are seen as metaphorical, and the "hell" interpretation was invented by the church to scare people into piety and donations.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 17, 2013, 08:02:57 AM
But there are passages with fiery imagery associated with evil people after their death. It's a bit silly to say that Hell is not mentioned in the bible because that exact word nor an exact translation of what it currently means is not there. What we know as "Hell" - a fiery place where evil people go after they die as punishment, is definitely discussed in the bible.

Of course the passages passages are metaphorical, the whole thing is metaphorical.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 17, 2013, 08:12:46 AM
That's because fire can symbolise eternal death. It is equally silly to say hell is mentioned in the bible just because the world translation supports the interpretation. It is not explicitly stated, therefore it is 100% interpretation on either side of the debate. A fiery place where evil people go to die can have a completely different meaning based on interpretation: eternal death, or eternal torture. Both are forms of punishment, and both are eternal. See the problem here?

I also would not bother trying to deny the idea of hell is promoted by the church, with the scriptural support exaggerated as mentioned above, as a scare tactic. That much is obvious.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 17, 2013, 08:13:13 AM
Also why does nobody use UMD anymore? ???
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 17, 2013, 08:19:30 AM
Because volkov is less likely to write walls of grumpus text in the spa room.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 17, 2013, 08:51:24 AM
also, this is unbelievably silly
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 17, 2013, 08:17:43 PM
QuoteSo what are the phrases "eternal punishment", "the second death - the lake of fire", and the thing about the evil being thrown into the fiery furnace that Raggon quoted in reference to if it is not Hell?

They are literal translations. Sheol and Gehenna were literally places where people were physically burned. The "eternal punishment" and the "second death" simply refers to the soul not going to heaven. Hades and Tartarus were places of incarceration of the soul. Hell isn't mentioned in the Bible, it's a case of people in modern times not understanding the world the Hebrews of 2000 years ago lived in, plus the invention of a fiery place of torment by the Catholic church.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 18, 2013, 02:10:11 AM
You're telling me churches just make stuff up?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Shadow on May 18, 2013, 02:11:38 AM
are you really surprised?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 18, 2013, 02:29:28 AM
That was in my sarcastic voice.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Shadow on May 18, 2013, 02:29:58 AM
darnit lucy
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Briar on May 18, 2013, 11:57:17 PM
Wow...a topic that brings people TO Spa rather than repels them.

Wyanor, don't let these bullies push you around.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 19, 2013, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: Briar on May 18, 2013, 11:57:17 PM
Wow...a topic that brings people TO Spa rather than repels them.
THIS TOPIC IS SUPERGLUUUUUUUE!
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 19, 2013, 04:29:18 PM
This thread is crap now.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Briar on May 19, 2013, 05:30:04 PM
So now that I actually took the time to read this thread...

I am a Christian and I don't believe in "Hell" in the sense of fire and brimstone and all of that nastiness. Everybody goes to heaven (woot woot).
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 19, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
...
JEWISH(?)
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 19, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
No, Briar is Mormon. They, along with Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and a few other Christian sects, do not believe in Hell in the classic sense.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 19, 2013, 09:37:46 PM
Because she's awesome
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 19, 2013, 10:03:29 PM
I am sorry I did that Mormons are actually pretty nice and I'm sorry for being a butt and sorry I'll go to the shame corner with my dunce cap on.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Briar on May 20, 2013, 12:05:55 AM
Tru Dat Volky

And Cama, while I normally have a sense of humor when others make jests at my faith, that actually offends me.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 20, 2013, 06:44:15 AM
Iirc, South Park liked mormons. They (Trey and Matt) are hardly in the "religion is evil camp," as parodied in that set of episodes when Cartman freezes himself so he won't have to wait for the Wii but sleeps a few thousand years to many. It's all related, trust me. :P
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Briar on May 20, 2013, 10:05:14 PM
Not saying they are hating. I'm saying there are enough stupid ignorant people in the world that watch stuff like that and go "Oooooh, so that's what Mormon's believe"

Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 20, 2013, 10:07:00 PM
Well luckily I'm pretty sure that show makes fun of pretty much everything ever. They don't pick sides, usually.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Briar on May 20, 2013, 10:08:30 PM
So I've heard
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 23, 2013, 10:36:30 AM
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/proof.php
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 23, 2013, 10:38:20 AM
The proof that God exists is that proof exists?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 23, 2013, 10:54:06 AM
My IQ dropped just from reading that. :-X
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 23, 2013, 10:56:40 AM
Thomas Aquinas did it better.

http://web.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/web%20publishing/aquinasfiveways_argumentanalysis.htm

Your proof suffers from some very severe logical fallacies.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Durza on May 23, 2013, 08:50:17 PM
I like volkov's better, it doesn't argue in a circle
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 23, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on May 23, 2013, 10:54:06 AM
My IQ dropped just from reading that. :-X
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 24, 2013, 03:39:38 PM
I read that...it sucked.

Such proofs stem from the unwillingness of believers to accept evidence that contradicts their beliefs, and subsequently twisting and creating logic to explain their flawed ideology.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 24, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: Drakus on May 24, 2013, 03:39:38 PM
I read that...it sucked.
by any chance, did your
Quote from: Camaclue on May 23, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on May 23, 2013, 10:54:06 AM
IQ drop just from reading that. :-X
?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 24, 2013, 05:54:31 PM
No, luckily. I will not allow IQ to drop by reading crap.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 24, 2013, 06:04:46 PM
Im going to be completely honest I didn't read it because I knew it was going to be dumb.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 25, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
SAME
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Shadow on May 26, 2013, 06:31:59 AM
lolol wyanors link

QuoteChemicals do not produce "truth" they just react. As Doug Wilson said, it would be like shaking up a can of Mountain Dew, and a can of Dr. Pepper, opening them, and watching them fizz. Neither fizz is "true," they just are.

QuoteNeither fizz is true
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 26, 2013, 10:18:35 AM
OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT TRUE
Fizz lies
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 26, 2013, 10:58:34 AM
If fizz is not true, why not let the drinks go flat?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 26, 2013, 12:16:15 PM
because flat is best kind of soda, and we can't have best kind because 7 asses
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Briar on May 26, 2013, 09:57:49 PM
darn those donkeys
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 26, 2013, 11:02:17 PM
DARN ALL 7 OF THEM DONKEYS
DARN EM TO HECK
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:19:30 PM
I dot believe Hell is a place of fire and brimstone. It's possible but I know it is a place were evil-doing-God-hating-sinners go.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:34:25 PM
They suffer severely and then they wish that they had tried believing in God better. All of us are going to know about it when we die. And those that cursed His name shall fall into suffering.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:40:59 PM
Hell gives us a reason to believe in God. The fact that Hell is waiting for the unbeliever strengthens Christian faith in God. People always have to see to believe. When Jesus died for us (you and everyone else in the world) he broke down the gates of Hell and freed us from death. But people just turned back to sin and fell into the darkness again. It has been said that Lazuras the friend of Jesus who died and lay in the tomb for four days went to Hell during this time.  When he was brought back to life by the blessed savior he never laughed again. Except once when he saw a man staling a clay pot. He laughed and he said "Clay is stealing clay". That is what we are. Nothing but beings created from the dust by a higher being. He loves you all and as I am (technically since you think science is so much better) your brother I love you to. I pray for your souls that they may be saved. 
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:46:01 PM
I strive my best to love God. And it is hard. I have often let my mind wander to the proof of His existence and I have realized that you must have faith in Him. I tried posting a picture of an icon of the Christ but as unfairly as the admins. and regulators are, it was changed and a false picture was posted. I guess I'm sorry if your scared to look upon a real picture of a image representing the Christ.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
So if anyone of the regulators or admins are brave, I will ask them to restore that picture to what it was supposed to look like.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 28, 2013, 01:51:16 PM
QuoteHell gives us a reason to believe in God. The fact that Hell is waiting for the unbeliever strengthens Christian faith in God. People always have to see to believe. When Jesus died for us (you and everyone else in the world) he broke down the gates of Hell and freed us from death. But people just turned back to sin and fell into the darkness again. It has been said that Lazuras the friend of Jesus who died and lay in the tomb for four days went to Hell during this time.  When he was brought back to life by the blessed savior he never laughed again. Except once when he saw a man staling a clay pot. He laughed and he said "Clay is stealing clay". That is what we are. Nothing but beings created from the dust by a higher being. He loves you all and as I am (technically since you think science is so much better) your brother I love you to. I pray for your souls that they may be saved. 

Hell is a threat, it's an extremely destructive theology to have, in fact, because you aren't bringing people to worship your God because they want too, but out of fear. It's theological terrorism. As for science, I don't think it's "better" than Christianity, though it is a heck of a lot more accurate, science operates in a completely different arena than religion, and as soon as Christians realize this and leave it alone, I'll be happy to never talk about Christianity again.

As for the picture of Jesus you posted, was he white or more middle-eastern looking? Because if the former, then he is not a "real picture of Christ".
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:56:46 PM
The icon is not made to look real as we know not what He looked like. Hell is not a threat, it is truly there waiting. Man has a free choice to choose heaven of hell. Mans stupid actions will lead him to hell, while belief leads him to heaven. You must have lots of love to be a Christian and believe in God. And I am not trying to force anybody to do anything and if you continue that thought process I will do nothing but post that image in every thread.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:58:25 PM
One thing I never understood is how people went so astray from God.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 28, 2013, 01:58:46 PM
Hell is essentially the same principle as pointing a gun at somebody's head and asking them to do something. It's coercion, plain and simple. There is no "choice," unless you think "obey or die" is a fair decision. Most people wouldn't give me their wallet because I ask, but if I point a gun at them, of course they will give it to me. The idea of hell as an incentive turns God into a bully that does not fit at all with the "loving god" of the bible, who lacks the means to otherwise convince people to worship him. Then again a biblical contradiction is nothing new.

Also, if god is loving, explain 2nd Kings 2:23-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Kings+2%3A23-25&version=ESV).  :) Look it up in your own bible, if you want.

And Volk, the picture was stereotypical white Jesus. Cute.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 28, 2013, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:58:25 PM
One thing I never understood is how people went so astray from God.
One thing I never understood is how Christians think God is real based on one book, even though there are plenty of other God's and plenty of other holy books. What makes God more real than Allah? I can guarantee you, if you were raised in an Islamic family, you would not be spouting biblical God on us.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 02:01:32 PM
ha ha ha. Your making me laugh. God is beyond the understanding of even the greatest scholar on earth.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 02:02:54 PM
Perhaps if you were raised in a real Christian family you wouldn't be spouting contradictions towards your creator.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 28, 2013, 02:04:17 PM
*You're.

If you're only defence is "you guys can't understand him," then why bother arguing with us? If we can't understand, why waste your time? Also, such an argument kind of suggests you don't have any actual way to discredit our arguments.

But do answer: if you were raised in an Islamic family, do you believe you'd worship biblical god?

Also, I was raised in a Christian family.  :P Most people on these forums were.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 02:06:10 PM
I honestly am just attempting to state my beliefs. Not force people into it. I was going to remove nasty comments with language from this thread but as they are lowsy admins here I don't even have the right to remove them. That's how it works here. You tick of the regulators and stuff and they remove your rights. I think I'll just stick with lords and knights from now on.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 28, 2013, 02:08:16 PM
We can make some pretty shrewd guesses as to what Jesus looked like. As for Hell, it is a threat, whether it exists or not, because it's basically used in this way: "Believe in Jesus, OR ELSE!". Like I said, it's theological terrorism, bringing converts through fear. There is no love involved in such a theology, though it is often claimed. If you want to post that image in every spa thread, be my guest, I rarely come here anyway, if you post it in every thread on the forum, you'll get banned. BTW, I love how your reaction to my questioning of your belief system is a threat. Informational terrorism, in this case. "Stop questioning my belief system, OR ELSE!"

Oh, and I didn't go astray from God, Christians like you forced me away from God, because their reactions to my simple childhood questions were "Believe in God or go to hell sinner! DO NOT QUESTION IT!" I couldn't be part of a religion like that. Curiosity should not be a sin. I was raised in a Christian family, BTW, though they are not the Christians who forced me away from God.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 28, 2013, 02:08:55 PM
You're not on probation or anything, you should be able to edit your own posts.

And if you'd learned a trick or two from God, you'd have tried threatening us to persuade us to share your beliefs. It is the equivalent of what hell is.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 28, 2013, 02:09:26 PM
QuoteAnd Volk, the picture was stereotypical white Jesus. Cute.

Yeah, I figured as much.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 02:11:03 PM
I believe that if I found God as an Islamic person I would believe in Him. But I can't really say. They kill people because they think it'll send them to heaven. Oh and Allah is just an Arabic word for God by the way. I have Arabic people in my Christian church. Just because it means God however, does not mean he is the same God as the Christians.                                                                                                                                                                         And when I say we cant understand God it is true. He created us and we are lower than Him he created the facts and truths, so who are we to say that He is wrong? Can you tell me that. Say you were a Christian, what would you think of God?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 02:13:28 PM
I don't have to get banned because I'm going to leave.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 02:13:58 PM
There are better more fun and detailed games to play.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 28, 2013, 02:16:36 PM
Good. Bye. Seeya. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Ha. Knew you'd say something like that. I won't miss you either.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 28, 2013, 02:32:06 PM
I hate myself for this, but:
(http://troll.me/images/creepy-willy-wonka/the-religion-that-your-parents-taught-you-as-a-child-is-the-one-true-religion-what-a-coincidence.jpg)
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Sharptooh on May 28, 2013, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: Wyanor on May 28, 2013, 01:56:46 PM
And I am not trying to force anybody to do anything and if you continue that thought process I will do nothing but post that image in every thread.

Wyanor, you're basically saying "I won't force you guys" however "IF YOU CONTINUE ARGUING I'LL DO NOTHING BUT SPAM FORUM WITH JESUS!"

Can you see why people here are maybe a little hostile to you?

I don't think you should leave because of this though, the forums can be a really fun place, some people just don't appreciate you trying to force your beliefs of them. For example would you appreciate it if I was creating threads about atheism and how anyone who believes in god is stupid? I doubt it somehow.

if you are leaving because you don't enjoy the game, then fair enough, but if you are leaving because of threads like this I think you are making a mistake - wouldn't it be better to focus on the things you have in common with us? Think about what guidance does bible offers in terms of getting along with people of differing beliefs (the good Samaritan)?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 28, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on May 28, 2013, 02:04:17 PM
*You're.

If you're only defence is ...

Well that's embarrassing.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 28, 2013, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: Genevieve on May 28, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on May 28, 2013, 02:04:17 PM
*You're.

If you're only defence is ...

Well that's embarrassing.
:-[
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Drakus on May 29, 2013, 06:13:35 AM
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 09:10:23 AM
Fine I'll stay. And I'm going to try not getting involved in religious arguments.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 09:16:12 AM
Before I quit arguing religion I'd like to make one more point. How many of you think a man landed on the moon?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 29, 2013, 09:38:50 AM
QuoteDO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

We aren't trolls.

QuoteBefore I quit arguing religion I'd like to make one more point. How many of you think a man landed on the moon?

I know a man landed on the moon, because I've done the experiment where you bounce a laser off the mirror the Apollo astronauts put on the moon and use the time difference to measure the distance. But I'm sure your intention was for someone to say yes, and then ask "why?" or "how do you know", and then somehow equate whatever answer they give to faith. Except it doesn't work, because A) most of the astronauts who landed on the moon are still alive to talk about doing so, and B) the verifications we have from historical evidence are a heck of a lot more accurate and way less self-contradicting than the Bible.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 10:15:08 AM
A) people will lie to you B) your dang good at guessing my intentions. That's all folks I'm done arguing religion unless insulting remarks are thrown at me. Hope we can all get along.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 29, 2013, 10:19:40 AM
People wrote the bible, people made religion.

People lie to you.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 29, 2013, 10:59:06 AM
QuoteA) people will lie to you

People, yes, but an entire organization, for 50 years? With no leaks? Believing that takes more faith than believing in God, IMO. LOL.

QuoteB) your dang good at guessing my intentions.

In this case, it wasn't that hard, as I've run across similar analogies.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 29, 2013, 01:27:33 PM
Nobody wants you to leave, Wyanor, or to not believe in god. We just don't approve of homophobic comments, or people trying to cram their beliefs down peoples throats. I was like that then when I first joined, and I'm not quite as loathed as I was. :P
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 01:52:54 PM
As I said, I am done arguing about religion. Politics is a different matter however. ;) If a moderator would not mind, could this thread be closed. Some not so nice things have been said by me and other guys. I would prefer hate laden arguments here to disperse. However, it is your choice and I'll leave it to you. I want to know if any of you would like to read a piece of a book I am writing. I'll post it in another thread, but I need to know that nobody will copy it. It is fictional adventure.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 01:53:48 PM
I'd also like the right to remove unsavory comments from my post. I won't abuse it this time. Promise.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 29, 2013, 02:01:05 PM
WHY DON'T YOU PRAY THEM AWAY PRIVATE WYANOR? IF GOD WANTED IT GONE HE WOULD HAVE MIRACLED THEM AWAY BY NOW!
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 02:13:11 PM
I asked a question soldier! I want an answer! Would you like to read the bit of book?! :P
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Ungatt Trunn II on May 29, 2013, 02:14:25 PM
I'm asking the questions here Private! Do you understand me?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 29, 2013, 02:15:24 PM
I'll read your book extract.  :) Though I warn you now, I'm going to give constructive criticism if I think I can help you improve your piece. Hopefully you are alright with that?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 02:17:02 PM
That's the reason I posted it.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Krowdon on May 29, 2013, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: Wyanor on May 29, 2013, 01:52:54 PM
As I said, I am done arguing about religion. Politics is a different matter however. ;) If a moderator would not mind, could this thread be closed. Some not so nice things have been said by me and other guys. I would prefer hate laden arguments here to disperse. However, it is your choice and I'll leave it to you. I want to know if any of you would like to read a piece of a book I am writing. I'll post it in another thread, but I need to know that nobody will copy it. It is fictional adventure.

I'm going to lock this as requested in 24 hours, however you have the right to modify your posts without mod powers if you want to. There's a "edit post button"
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Genevieve on May 29, 2013, 05:05:21 PM
Why would you lock one of the only threads in spa that actually has some level if discussion?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Firetooth on May 29, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: Genevieve on May 29, 2013, 05:05:21 PM
Why would you lock one of the only threads in spa that actually has some level if discussion?
Quote from: Genevieve on May 28, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Well that's embarrassing.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Krowdon on May 29, 2013, 05:12:58 PM
Because Waynor wants me to and he would do it himself if he could.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 29, 2013, 09:49:17 PM
(http://emotibot.net/pix/2381.gif)
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Gen. Volkov on May 30, 2013, 07:11:15 AM
Quote from: KrowdonBecause Waynor wants me to and he would do it himself if he could.

He literally only wants it locked because he doesn't want to have to deal with people disagreeing with him. I don't see why you should acquiesce.

Quote
I'm going to lock this as requested in 24 hours, however you have the right to modify your posts without mod powers if you want to. There's a "edit post button"

He's talking about being able to remove/edit other people's posts. He abused that power in the UMD forum. Now he wants the ability to remove the posts of people who disagree with him, only in Spa this time.

Quote from: FiretoothNobody wants you to leave, Wyanor, or to not believe in god.

Wrong. I do. Well I want him to leave, I don't care if he believes in God or not.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Krowdon on May 30, 2013, 07:13:08 AM
Oh alright I'll leave it alone.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 30, 2013, 07:39:12 AM
aww
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 31, 2013, 08:01:38 AM
Quote from: Gen. Volkov on May 30, 2013, 07:11:15 AM

Quote from: FiretoothNobody wants you to leave, Wyanor, or to not believe in god.

Wrong. I do. Well I want him to leave, I don't care if he believes in God or not.
I agree with grumpus
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Sharptooh on May 31, 2013, 05:34:52 PM
Why is this topic still going?
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 31, 2013, 06:59:01 PM
BECAUSE I AM SPA MOD
and I don't know, ask the Spa Mod
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Typhon on May 31, 2013, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: Krowdon on May 30, 2013, 07:13:08 AM
Oh alright I'll leave it alone.
Title: Re: The Christian corner
Post by: Camaclue on May 31, 2013, 09:05:02 PM
thanks