I know I'm a little early, but whatever.
Check this Christmas song out: Brazilian Sleigh Bells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kombQIZ_ea4)
Got to about 1:00. Really bad video, sorry about that, I didn't feel like searching for a good one.
I love Christmas. Everything is so well, Christmassy.
But really, couldn't this topic have waited until AFTER thanksgiving?
I agree this topic is too early.
Christmas is too early.
Gentlemen, prepare for the carols.
It's never too early for Wham! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI)
It's never too late for Halloween candy.
Christmas is an "evil pagan tradition."
I'm shocked in your rakey :P
http://www.essortment.com/christmas-pagan-origins-42543.html (http://www.essortment.com/christmas-pagan-origins-42543.html)
Actually it's a celebration of the birth of Jesus.
Quote from: Rakefur on November 14, 2011, 02:23:09 PM
Actually it's a celebration of the birth of Jesus.
/obviously didn't click the link.
QuoteNo one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ's birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?
The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
It is pretty certain Jesus was not born on the 25th of December. Besides, what does Santa and reindeer's have to do with Jesus? He encouraged people to lead simple life styles, and christmas is a very materialistic celebration.
It's all cool in my books, but don't actually try passing Christmas off as a religious holiday.
Quote from: Rakefur on November 14, 2011, 02:23:09 PM
Actually it's a celebration of the birth of Jesus.
What does putting presents under a decorated pine tree, eating Mince pies, putting presents in Stockings and a big fat red guy coming down your chimney to give you presents have to do with Jesus birth 0_o
I was under the impression that he was born more around autumn time too.
i want a pony
It's possible.
It's very probable he was not born on that exact day.
But that's how I celebrate it.
And all the traditions are nothing more than that: Traditions.
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Anyway, lets not turn this into UMD.
Pippin, you would.
if this geezer wasnt born on 25th, why are kids taught otherwise
OK think of it this way.
Do we celebrate thanksgiving the exact day the pilgrims first celebrated it?
No.
Quote from: Rakefur on November 14, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
OK think of it this way.
Do we celebrate thanksgiving the exact day the pilgrims first celebrated it?
No.
Don't get me started on thanksgiving...
Anyway, pretty stupid to celebrate the day of somebody's birth, particularly the key figure of your religion, on the wrong day. If you believe he is real, I'm sure Jesus isn't impressed.
By the way, Easter is celebrated on different days.
Um, Cam, this is Christmas....
I know, I'm just comparing holidays.
...
This is not Spa.
Cam is making an alright point (I think)
Easter is celebrated on different days, so why can't Christmas/ Jesus' birth?
You mean he was actually thinking??!!!
Yeah that makes sense. I guess it's just tradition....
(Easter is celebrated on a different day by the Greek Orthodox Church, right?)
I believe so.
Christmas pre-20th century was much more about charity and gift giving. Now it is mostly commercialized. Though it is not when Jesus Christ was actually born, I think it is still acceptable to celebrate his birth then.
That's what I was saying, I think!
So why do I get mocked?
because christmas
i wanna get a bivvy
There are so many things wrong with this thread that I can't even put it into words.
Why did you have to post Briar? You are far too nice of a person for me to be direct. :(
You all need to go to google and type in "origins of christmas."
Internet jews (like jews on the internet) have made a nice website with a lot of :words: that has details and stuff that will explain why christmas is basically a moral travesty.
Christmas was invented for the disgusting purpose of repurposing a pagan holiday as a means of converting the masses of people who were already worshipping gods and customs that existed certainly before jesus and probably before the original jews wrote down their stories.
Now christians are mad that christmas is again being repurposed as a capitalist holiday as a means of getting/forcing masses of people to spend loads of money.
The only difference is the number of people killed over it.
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Will an admin type please split this thread into UMD? :3
Quote from: Neobaron on November 15, 2011, 12:26:34 PM
Will an admin type please split this thread into UMD? :3
Please. This was kinda meant to be a casual discussion about Christmas, etc..., not a debate about the origin.
I would be less inclined to pick a fight but this was posted 6 weeks early.
Your insistence on shortening our lives basically demands to be punished.
Also add me on MSN or message me your contact information of choice.
*snort* I like annoying people.
Don't have msn I think....if I did, I wouldn't use it. And I'm not allowed to give out my contact info to people on the internet.
One of the important rules of the internet is that internet people only exist on the internet.
Embracing and understanding this simple truth frees you from a lot of the problems of real interpersonal communication. Like indirect communication. And the illusion of absolute truth.
When I ask for your contact information, I am asking for MSN, Skype, AIM, Yahoo, ICQ, etc.
That's really confusing.
Should I pm you my hotmail?
Seems quite simple actually.
Sorry Neo, I just didn't know why Sharpy and Firetooth were making such a big deal about Christian celebrating Jesus Christ's birth on Dec. 25th even though that is obviously not his actualy day of birth.
There are many...questionable....ways inwhich the Church (meaning Catholic Church generally speaking) has drawn converts. Heck, they used to Saint celtic gods in order to bring in people in Ireland. And while I don't agree with them, we live with the results.
It isn't confusing at all.
As far as I am concerned, you are not a real person. You do not have bones, skin, blood, hair, clothes, a home, a dog, or a geographic location.
You are literally a very clever bot with a regular schedule and illusions of a reality outside of this medium.
Except in UMD.
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I wanted to add you to have you in (digital) arms reach in case I ever started playing again.
I have most of RWL handy at all times.
I metagame, you see. :3
Quote from: Briar on November 15, 2011, 12:47:27 PM
Seems quite simple actually.
Sorry Neo, I just didn't know why Sharpy and Firetooth were making such a big deal about Christian celebrating Jesus Christ's birth on Dec. 25th even though that is obviously not his actualy day of birth.
There are many...questionable....ways inwhich the Church (meaning Catholic Church generally speaking) has drawn converts. Heck, they used to Saint celtic gods in order to bring in people in Ireland. And while I don't agree with them, we live with the results.
This is a great post.
I would give you a hug if you WERE REAL.
And nearby.
Pretty good description of me. :D
Well, it would be nice if you started playing again, but um, I might have msn. I'll have to check.
I have Windows Live Messenger, is that msn?
Neo, I would give Briar a hug even if she wasn't real. *virtual hug*
digital* hug
Virtual implies something different.
And yeah, MSN helps. I am going to have free time again soon and I want to reassemble MSN crew.
Unfortunately, most of MSN crew never logs on anymore so I will have to reforge MSN crew from different bits.
I DID IT ONCE. I CAN DO IT AGAIN.
yup.
Log in with your hotmail address and accept my invitation.
From there you can probably add your SPA friends + firetooth so they can tell you why I am a horrible person who is not to be trusted.
I can't get onto it on the work comp. The government doesn't like it for some reason.
Should I send you my hotmail adress?
Briar;
Install a small OS on a flash drive and boot a spare machine to it.
Rakefur;
If it is the one in your profile, I already added you. You just need to accept.
Firetooth;
lol so many posts before your post
OK, I'll check.
Haha he;s been writing for a while
EDIT: If you are "Jon Cook", then I added you.
Neo I've missed your posts :)
Quote from: Briar on November 15, 2011, 12:47:27 PM
Sorry Neo, I just didn't know why Sharpy and Firetooth were making such a big deal about Christian celebrating Jesus Christ's birth on Dec. 25th even though that is obviously not his actualy day of birth.
I was making a slight thing over it because because Rakefur slammed Halloween as a celebration with Pagan origins in that other topic, seems double standard not to celebrate one thing with Pagan origins yet not another :P
You and you scheming brother......
Quote from: Rakefur on November 15, 2011, 01:06:07 PM
You and you scheming brother......
:P
Quote from: Neobaron on November 15, 2011, 12:58:19 PM
Install a small OS on a flash drive and boot a spare machine to it.
Linux ftw!
Quote from: Neobaron on November 15, 2011, 12:58:19 PM
Firetooth;
lol so many posts before your post
Yep, I gave up haha.
All I was gonna say is my link more or less says what you said, it's just a shame nobody seems to have clicked it, lol.
Back on topic...
I believe radio stations should not play "Christmas Songs" until December.
And alright Sharptooth. Didn't see the connection.
Quote from: Briar on November 15, 2011, 01:12:53 PM
I believe radio stations should not play "Christmas Songs" until December.
Agreed
Those horrible Jingles get in my head and just refuse to leave sometimes . . .
Also agree with sharp, the only reason I made a big deal is because of Rakefur on halloween. Just trying to make a point.
i have a jon cook on msn, i dont remember adding neo
Quote from: Briar on November 15, 2011, 01:12:53 PM
I believe radio stations should not play "Christmas Songs" until December.
Yeah good idea. But, um, which stations are playing "christmas songs" right now?
most african radio stations are
and i think they should be played all year round
100.3 Salt Lake City. They've been playing it since Nov. 1st.
:o Your radio stations play christmas songs? That sounds terrible.
Other than that, what do you all have against eating a crap load of food and getting presents? Who cares if it's for pagan gods, jesus or pure gluttony.
I honestly don't care either way.
But misinformation should be struck down wherever it persists!
QuoteUnfortunately, most of MSN crew never logs on anymore so I will have to reforge MSN crew from different bits.
I stopped logging on because no one was ever on when I did. If people are going to be on, I will log on more.
i wanna get a chinese buffet
Quote from: Genevieve on November 15, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
:o Your radio stations play christmas songs? That sounds terrible.
Other than that, what do you all have against eating a crap load of food and getting presents? Who cares if it's for pagan gods, jesus or pure gluttony.
I'm same as Neo. It's all cool in my books, I just don't agree with the whole "celebrating Jesus birth" part.
christmas = best holiday
family and mates round + presents and too much drink + presents
Quote from: Pippin on November 16, 2011, 10:22:01 AM
christmas = best holiday
family and mates round + presents and too much drink + presents
Made me lol. How many mates do you have? and can you drink?
how many mates do i have? i dunno i dont count em
and i dont think its entirely legal but yeah
Oh I see. Do the Brits call their friends mate too? OI thought it was just the Aussies.
yeah most people i know use the term
what you asking for christmas
Quote from: Firetooth on November 16, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
I'm same as Neo. It's all cool in my books, I just don't agree with the whole "celebrating Jesus birth" part.
Might I ask why? There is no definitive date known of his actual birth, so what is wrong with deeming 25th as an arbitrary date of celebration?
Quote from: Briar on November 16, 2011, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Firetooth on November 16, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
I'm same as Neo. It's all cool in my books, I just don't agree with the whole "celebrating Jesus birth" part.
Might I ask why? There is no definitive date known of his actual birth, so what is wrong with deeming 25th as an arbitrary date of celebration?
I don't think his biggest complaint is the date, although saying that unfortunately I can't read Firetooth's brain (unfortunately)
Quote from: Rakefur on November 16, 2011, 11:35:14 AM
Oh I see. Do the Brits call their friends mate too? OI thought it was just the Aussies.
A fair few people do here, although I'm sure it varies where you live.
Don't you call people "mates" in America??
Not really. "Friends" is far more common.
Is Firetooth arguing that his birth shouldn't be celebrated at all then?
Quote from: Briar on November 16, 2011, 12:11:36 PM
Is Firetooth arguing that his birth shouldn't be celebrated at all then?
I don't think so.
If I know Firetooth well (which I think I do) then he's arguing that his birth can be celebrated, but that the way in which it is celebrated currently is dreadful, mostly because it's meant to be a Christian holiday but actually includes a lot of Pagan traditions which violate the core of Christianity.
And that it has become overly commercialized the world over.
Both of which are good points if you are a Christian, less so if you're not.
Quote from: Briar on November 16, 2011, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Firetooth on November 16, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
I'm same as Neo. It's all cool in my books, I just don't agree with the whole "celebrating Jesus birth" part.
Might I ask why? There is no definitive date known of his actual birth, so what is wrong with deeming 25th as an arbitrary date of celebration?
Because you and I both know it's much more likely he was born in autumn then winter, maybe?
If you want to guess over something as important as the birth of your messiah, at least make an educated guess, lol.
^Also what Sharp said. If Christians want to actually celebrate Jesus' birth, they should do it in another way.
firetooth deserves only the finest cheese and ale
Quote from: Pippin on November 16, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
firetooth deserves only the finest cheese and ale
Most certainly. :D
Quote from: Sharptooh on November 16, 2011, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: Briar on November 16, 2011, 12:11:36 PM
Is Firetooth arguing that his birth shouldn't be celebrated at all then?
I don't think so.
If I know Firetooth well (which I think I do) then he's arguing that his birth can be celebrated, but that the way in which it is celebrated currently is dreadful, mostly because it's meant to be a Christian holiday but actually includes a lot of Pagan traditions which violate the core of Christianity.
And that it has become overly commercialized the world over.
Both of which are good points if you are a Christian, less so if you're not.
If that's what he's saying, then yes I agree. Death to Santa!!!
nice work rakefur i know who wont be getting any gifts this year
Quote from: Firetooth on November 16, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
If you want to guess over something as important as the birth of your messiah, at least make an educated guess, lol.
Over several centuries, Christ's birth has been celebrated in the winter. This started before all the modern research. Just out of cultural habit, I do not believe it would be possible to change the celebration to any other time.