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Discussion => Turbo Discussion => Topic started by: windhound on July 25, 2012, 08:24:32 PM

Title: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: windhound on July 25, 2012, 08:24:32 PM
Soo...  I forgot about my bot script on the Turbo reset.
Numbers 6, 7, 8, and 9 were bots last time -- they weren't running quite right, so most people probably didn't notice.
Thus, numbers 6, 7, 8, and 9 this round were still considered bots this round
The bots are programmed to only run if they have full turns, thus the reason they didn't always go.

Sorry guys, won't happen again.
Cheers.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 25, 2012, 08:25:22 PM
The important moral here is that Volkov is in fact a robot
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Gen. Volkov on July 26, 2012, 12:56:14 AM
Gah. That does explain why my reg account was never messed with. Windy... I just don't even know what to say. Your script screwed me over 3 days before the reset. I have very little food and all the cash I had been saving up has been stolen. Not to mention the fact that I didn't have any weasels to aid back to Shadow is probably the reason he died.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Firetooth on July 26, 2012, 04:16:56 AM
Is there any explanation for why sevz deleted his report on this before? Him and his teams have abused bugs like this before. Sevz is number 7, so it affected him for sure.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 26, 2012, 07:19:16 AM
Probably just trying to be as unhelpful as possible.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Firetooth on July 26, 2012, 07:26:00 AM
Shouldn't impeding the fix of a bug have some sort of punishment?
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 26, 2012, 07:28:23 AM
I'm speculating here ^_^

If he abused a bug and didn't report it, sure, but in this case a bug abused him, and it wasn't clear until recently that it was a server bug rather than someone messing with us. So there's nothing to punish.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 28, 2012, 03:38:47 PM
Don't be a fool Firetooth. I reported it straight away to Windhound and pretty sure Shadow knows this he's just manipulating the situation to make me look bad.

Shadow you are a true dirtbag and I think you should be demoted or banned from this website. Why even say i'm being deliberately unhelpful? I got a long list of things on you. Your a cheating maggot and you ruined redwall on purpose like a sore loser.

Fair enough if I make a suggestion on game dynamics you don't like me so you do the opposite but there comes a time when you should feel guilty that you are in charge of the code and look at it.
You should of left Turbo how it was and made a 3rd server. At least the players in turbo would still be here and active on reg. You take over with your junk server that no one likes or is any good at taking pvp competition to it's new low.

Hope you enjoyed sacking me when I was passive. Great how you can rig the game and still be the same old weak jerk.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 28, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
If i'm not helpful enough it's cos I refuse to deal with the likes of you. You are toxic puss. A sneaky unethical dog with no respect for what is supposed to be a fair competition.

Do you ask me for help? No. If I help do you accept it? No. Do you want help? No.

All you want to do is to make this game real easy for yourself to win. I see your plan, we all do except the ones who blindly trust your endless lies.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Firetooth on July 28, 2012, 04:17:35 PM
The reason people are inactive is because you've made the transition to a new set of code difficult by being your usual self and taking advantage of the situation. Nobody else had the time to sit down and learn the new code, but I guess that's how you like to play, only when you have an unfair advantage. People got tired of your team dominating, and all of your forum drama and accusations, would be my guess. You forget RWL is a site for young teens.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 28, 2012, 04:38:20 PM
I asked you for help plenty, Sevs. Remember when I invited you to beta test and you didn't make a single post about it? That's when I stopped asking, because it was clear you weren't interested.

If that's changed, by all means help out, but it's your move. As for not accepting help: I need specific suggestions with a rationale behind them, eg, "X should be changed to Y because Z". If you do that, then we can talk it through from there.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 28, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
Wasted too much of my time trying to explain things that you can't comprehend. Don't blame me for your no one want's to spend 4 hours convincing someone to make a 10second change. Maybe a once off but not when there's 1000things needing small fixes and the person behind the control panel is on a corrupt power trip.

You should increase sack. Make it so the attacker takes 100% of their resources first shot
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 28, 2012, 06:45:28 PM
If you don't want to help that's your prerogative, but you forfeit the right to complain about how things go.

You know the rules about swearing on forums, if I have to edit your posts again you know what happens.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Durza on July 28, 2012, 06:52:18 PM
Just as a question, Sevz why should sack take 100% of resources?

As I recall there was a point when, for one round, there was a more powerful version of sack...Peopl felt it was too over powered.  With this in mind again I ask why.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 28, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
He's being sarcastic ^_^
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Durza on July 28, 2012, 06:57:45 PM
that is the problem with text you lose the body language
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 28, 2012, 07:24:46 PM
Well Durza, sacking is a very bad thing towards balancing the game. It punishes anyone who is either good or has built up over the month. It is impossible to block troop attacks (as a whole) and spending all your money daily so someone can't effortlessly steal it is their dumb solution. The way I see it there's very little difference to losing it all in 1 shot or 50 shots. Your money is being stolen by someone who has no advantageous setup or better method it just comes as a reward for them landgrabbing.

It's not that I don't want to help because I'd happily take over the coding and make the place 50x better overnight. Facts are Shadow wants things running a specific way that he can abuse. His track record is 0/zero wins since I've been around. 1 time he tried really hard but I showed him. Since then I've seen lots of little corrupt steps to make things convenient.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Gen. Volkov on July 28, 2012, 08:08:40 PM
QuoteWell Durza, sacking is a very bad thing towards balancing the game. It punishes anyone who is either good or has built up over the month. It is impossible to block troop attacks (as a whole) and spending all your money daily so someone can't effortlessly steal it is their dumb solution. The way I see it there's very little difference to losing it all in 1 shot or 50 shots. Your money is being stolen by someone who has no advantageous setup or better method it just comes as a reward for them landgrabbing.

I find this funny coming from someone who has happily used steal and sack for a very long time. You're just mad because people sacked you this round.

QuoteIt's not that I don't want to help because I'd happily take over the coding and make the place 50x better overnight.

I've said this before Sevah. If you really believe you could make a better game, then do it. Get a site, use the open source promi code, make all your changes, and then let the public be the judge. Otherwise, you can make your suggestions and if they admins accept them, great, if not, too bad. Same as everyone else. If you aren't going to do either of those things, then you can just cram it, because I'm tired of reading your frothing at the mouth anti-Shadow rants. If you can make a better game, then prove it. Otherwise, please just shut up.

QuoteFacts are Shadow wants things running a specific way that he can abuse. His track record is 0/zero wins since I've been around. 1 time he tried really hard but I showed him. Since then I've seen lots of little corrupt steps to make things convenient.

I don't think that is accurate for Turbo, and I know it's not accurate for reg.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 28, 2012, 09:03:24 PM
He's not denying it.

And see what happens when I suggest changes be made to sack? You have the nerve to insult me about it.

When will come a time when I won't be sacked? Is there some gap where I can speak the blunt truth on this subject without being accused of ulterior motives? Are you really gonna be this much of an unreasonable SOB or are you genuinely this stupid?
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Gen. Volkov on July 28, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
He doesn't need to deny it, because it's stupid.

You aren't suggesting changes about sack, you are whining about it and not making any concrete suggestions. I can't tell if you want sack power reduced or if you just want it eliminated entirely. Make an actual suggestion, and I won't make such comments about it.

Dude, I was sacked every single day this round. If you have resources, there will never be a time where you aren't sacked. However, given how weak sack really is, it's not going to affect you as much as you claim, unless you totally suck at the game or are clanned with unlimited attacks. Oh, and no, Sevah, unless you radically change your behavior, there will not come a time when you are not accused of having ulterior motives. You rarely say anything for the general good of the game. You had your chance, and more than had your chance as beta tester to actually talk about improvements or bug fixes or whatever. You didn't. The only time you seem to say anything is when it directly affects you.

Frankly, I'm just tired of these posts Sevah. I'll keep being just as unreasonable as you are being as long as you decide to keep posting in this manner.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Wolf Snare on July 28, 2012, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on July 28, 2012, 04:17:35 PM
The reason people are inactive is because you've made the transition to a new set of code difficult by being your usual self and taking advantage of the situation. Nobody else had the time to sit down and learn the new code, but I guess that's how you like to play, only when you have an unfair advantage. People got tired of your team dominating, and all of your forum drama and accusations, would be my guess. You forget RWL is a site for young teens.

Quit making excuses firetooth, I signed up when 3.0 was released, ran twice and had it on lockdown. Look at cloud, volkov, pip adjusted right away. maybe you just bad at promisance babe. Oh. you got aided into first? I came back on the last day and you lost. poor lil fellar-- better luck next time.

Sevz, let's let him take the lead-- hell, i'll help him emp, give him 3 days, then we delete and break protection?

Quote from: Shadow on July 28, 2012, 04:38:20 PM
I asked you for help plenty, Sevs. Remember when I invited you to beta test and you didn't make a single post about it? That's when I stopped asking, because it was clear you weren't interested.

If that's changed, by all means help out, but it's your move. As for not accepting help: I need specific suggestions with a rationale behind them, eg, "X should be changed to Y because Z". If you do that, then we can talk it through from there.
I intend to actually take up this offer, if you care to extend it to me. I have some solid ideas that need to be broken down and tweaked a bit, but I would like to help you develop the code if possible.

Quote from: Gen. Volkov on July 28, 2012, 08:08:40 PM
QuoteFacts are Shadow wants things running a specific way that he can abuse. His track record is 0/zero wins since I've been around. 1 time he tried really hard but I showed him. Since then I've seen lots of little corrupt steps to make things convenient.

I don't think that is accurate for Turbo, and I know it's not accurate for reg.
Actually the 0 wins part is true, as I avidly participate in ensuring that is remains true ;)

I'd work with shadow ingame though, I'd work with you too volk, and you know that. I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

Quote from: Gen. Volkov on July 28, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
He doesn't need to deny it, because it's stupid.

You aren't suggesting changes about sack, you are whining about it and not making any concrete suggestions. I can't tell if you want sack power reduced or if you just want it eliminated entirely. Make an actual suggestion, and I won't make such comments about it.

Dude, I was sacked every single day this round. If you have resources, there will never be a time where you aren't sacked. However, given how weak sack really is, it's not going to affect you as much as you claim, unless you totally suck at the game or are clanned with unlimited attacks. Oh, and no, Sevah, unless you radically change your behavior, there will not come a time when you are not accused of having ulterior motives. You rarely say anything for the general good of the game. You had your chance, and more than had your chance as beta tester to actually talk about improvements or bug fixes or whatever. You didn't. The only time you seem to say anything is when it directly affects you.

Frankly, I'm just tired of these posts Sevah. I'll keep being just as unreasonable as you are being as long as you decide to keep posting in this manner.

I'll be making quite a few (reasonable) suggestions with no intent on benefiting myself (not entirely, anyway). I believe the smoother the game runs, the better a time everyone has: admins, long-term players, and noobs alike. Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.

In all honesty, we can all leave our ingame character attitudes ingame and talk reasonable like adults. We can assess the situation, address the issues by order of importance (fixes / fixes being primary, new innovations coming later unless absolutely groundbreaking). We can refrain from insulting and discriminating each other, and we could honestly get things moving. Shadow has been doing things by himself, and he is open to suggestions, but may want to lead things in a different direction than most. It's worked so far, but perhaps we could all lighten up and be open minded. If something seems viable, consider it.

IDK, it's an idea. it'd be nice if we could all post anonymously, it would really be interesting to see... Things that are normally shot down because of who posted them may be considered.

Also, Volk, I love ya man, but the 'tude! it's constant and it's discouraging. ya know?
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 28, 2012, 10:48:46 PM
QuoteI intend to actually take up this offer, if you care to extend it to me. I have some solid ideas that need to be broken down and tweaked a bit, but I would like to help you develop the code if possible.
I am more than happy to have dev input, but I do require people to support their ideas through a discussion of the potential impacts before I spend time coding. If you do that, I am all ears.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 28, 2012, 11:51:26 PM
Quote from: Wolf Snare on July 28, 2012, 10:46:12 PM
I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.
Gold.
People around here need to show some sportsmanship once in a while.
As for me not making suggestions in the beta that's rubbish. I barely had the time to figure things out and you expect a professional opinion the first days?
Was I supposed to come in and know everything or did you wanna see me sounding foolish talking about things I hadn't tested? Maybe I could of done what you do and just pretend I know.
I think my words would of been something like this server will not work as it is. Not the first day but after 3 runs I reckon I rattled off a bunch of reasons then you got offended and rushed to implement the new dodgy code.

It's never gonna be fair like this. It's all a bunch of make do near enough is good enough BS. I tried doing things the Shadow way and it was thrown back in my face, you want my wits you can beg for it or keep leading redwall down the drain. I don't care. If Windy sacks you i'll become useful to restore things. Til then you made your bed sleep in it. Soon you'll rightfully be blamed when the final damage is done.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Firetooth on July 29, 2012, 04:17:22 AM
Quote from: Sevz on July 28, 2012, 11:51:26 PM
Quote from: Wolf Snare on July 28, 2012, 10:46:12 PM
I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.
Gold.
People around here need to show some sportsmanship once in a while.
As for me not making suggestions in the beta that's rubbish. I barely had the time to figure things out and you expect a professional opinion the first days?
Was I supposed to come in and know everything or did you wanna see me sounding foolish talking about things I hadn't tested? Maybe I could of done what you do and just pretend I know.
I think my words would of been something like this server will not work as it is. Not the first day but after 3 runs I reckon I rattled off a bunch of reasons then you got offended and rushed to implement the new dodgy code.

It's never gonna be fair like this. It's all a bunch of make do near enough is good enough BS. I tried doing things the Shadow way and it was thrown back in my face, you want my wits you can beg for it or keep leading redwall down the drain. I don't care. If Windy sacks you i'll become useful to restore things. Til then you made your bed sleep in it. Soon you'll rightfully be blamed when the final damage is done.
Quit lying, sevz. You killed Rakefur in the beta server. As in, you purposefully killed another tester for taking your land because "I need things to test that man." That in itself imparied testing, and you showed then you were treating it like a promi round, not a test server. I ran two runs iirc, and I still gave feedback. Who cares what your words *would've* been? You had your chance, you blew it. Nobody takes you seriously after that, and it's your own fault. People don't listen to you because you always have an agenda, and usually you're not even smart enough to hide that with your posts.

Things are more fair then you know, in fact I say you get preferential treatment, if anything. If I was running the site, you'd have never even been given beta access. I would've disabled you for the first round for using it as your own way to get a leg up, too. If there was a conspiracy against you, you wouldn't have won last round. If there was a conspiracy against you, you'd be gagged pretty much every few days for the way you treat Shadow and other staff members. Trust me Sevz, if somebody was ever stoned enough to make you Admin, the site would lose all activity besides hard-core promi players in a month.

Then you have the nerve to blame the admins for the lack of activity. It's you, Sevz. Winning 9 rounds in a row while only Shadow and Volk is active doesn't show anything besides you don't care for the game-new players don't flourish in super-competitive games like Valhall, and that's what turbo is becoming more like. Please, just shut up. Everything you say is just...wrong.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Gen. Volkov on July 29, 2012, 04:50:54 AM
QuoteActually the 0 wins part is true, as I avidly participate in ensuring that is remains true

I don't mean since 3.0, Sevah said "since he's been around", and I know there were at least 5 rounds where teams that kilk built dominated before we all got bored and stopped caring. Sevah was around for those rounds, and I think Shadow won at least one of them.

Also, Round 32.

http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?topic=11803.0

Shadow won, me second, Sevah 5th.

I don't think Shadow has won a round since 3.0 came out, though to be fair, he has only played a few rounds.

Quote
I'd work with shadow ingame though, I'd work with you too volk, and you know that. I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

Actually, I will and have said, "you won good job", but recently you've been so internet tough guy, and such a bad sportsman, that I haven't been. You say you don't hold grudges, and generally that has been true, but for a few rounds there, you were. I don't know why you chose to behave as you were, and I'm glad you are apparently done with it now, but for awhile there you were basically being a total [stoat's behind].


QuoteI'll be making quite a few (reasonable) suggestions with no intent on benefiting myself (not entirely, anyway). I believe the smoother the game runs, the better a time everyone has: admins, long-term players, and noobs alike. Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.

If this happens, I'll be glad to see it. As for my treatment of Sevah, that has more to do with the fact that he rarely if ever does provide ideas with solid reasoning behind them. 9 times out of 10, it's "this place would be a thousand times better with me at the helm". There is exactly one time that I can remember that he provided ideas with reasons behind them, and on that occasion, I gave them the thoughtful, fair consideration they deserved. I am not out to get Sevah, in fact, most of the time I don't even respond to what he says, unless he's directly addressing me. He's been directly insulting Shadow for months now, and you have joined in on more than one occasion, and I'm just finally tired enough of reading it to say something.

QuoteIn all honesty, we can all leave our ingame character attitudes ingame and talk reasonable like adults. We can assess the situation, address the issues by order of importance (fixes / fixes being primary, new innovations coming later unless absolutely groundbreaking). We can refrain from insulting and discriminating each other, and we could honestly get things moving. Shadow has been doing things by himself, and he is open to suggestions, but may want to lead things in a different direction than most. It's worked so far, but perhaps we could all lighten up and be open minded. If something seems viable, consider it.

This sounds reasonable, and I would love for it to be the case, but it does not jibe with either your or Sevah's actions in recent months. However, if you guys are willing to turn over a new leaf, and discuss things like reasonable adults, as you say, then I'm more than willing to participate in these discussions, and listen to whatever concrete ideas Sevah has.

QuoteIDK, it's an idea. it'd be nice if we could all post anonymously, it would really be interesting to see... Things that are normally shot down because of who posted them may be considered.

I think most of the regular posters on here would be able to figure out who was who, based on writing styles.

QuoteAlso, Volk, I love ya man, but the 'tude! it's constant and it's discouraging. ya know?

You do realize how ironic that is right? If I have an attitude towards you or Sevah, it's only a response to the attitudes you both have been displaying recently. You both called me so many names, and insulted me on a personal level so many times, its a wonder I'm even willing to talk to either of you at all. If you want me to dial back the "'tude", it's going to take a sustained period of both of you acting like reasonable adults.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 29, 2012, 07:09:24 AM
Quote from: Shadow on July 18, 2012, 06:19:35 AM
Sevs mentioned something like this a while ago and then deleted the report for some reason.
Quote from: Shadow on July 26, 2012, 07:19:16 AM
Probably just trying to be as unhelpful as possible.

You think this doesn't bother me Volkov? How hard is it for him to ask me about it? Not at all but this is directly putting things in Firetooths head. It's what he does.

I made a post
The problem was addressed
I delete my post and get called unhelpful behind my back.

See how he manipulates things? Does everyone? I'm a fair person. I spent most of this round playing peacefully trying to sort out my problem with this rodent and he still constantly attacked and stole my stuff.

As for that win of Shadows did you know that was when Snare was helping him? Lots of people flooding him with troops and it was so long ago that Peace Alliance was aggressive.
Quote from: Sevz on March 03, 2010, 01:05:04 AM
Everyone here is a n00b. 2b net is 3days work
Plus
i changed race the last day and soloed from 30m net to over 700m.
~~~~~~~~~
I reckon I can dig up immorts pages from around those days where I tried to force the admins to make changes. I remember deleting and restarting with 1 week to go and publicly gave out my name announcing that I will win this round no one can stop me. I won the round and things didn't change for ages. We've come along way since then wait I mean we've gone backwards heaps since then.
You try being me watching idiots group up it's heaps frustrating. I see you all protect eachother from the truth now your elected hero has put you through 5 dodgy rounds of beta.

And first round of beta i had an unfair advantage cos i tested the beta of the beta for a few days? CMON LADIES. Sharpy you tried to lock with your whole team helping you cos you knew the game as much as me.
I simply broke you then found out the hard way after my first run I'd need to defend the land to keep my head above water. I didn't know what I was doing so I did what any veteran would do which was safely grow as a reseller in a new server. Only way to compensate my lack of strategy was expanding assets.

Now firetooth you think about it, bringing up something from half a year ago and insulting me for having problem solving skills. Is it worth arguing? Are you always gonna be miserable and disrespectful?
I hope so because I'm gonna give you reasons to hate me.
Unless you were that warlord SnowyFir? If that was you I fair slaughtered you time after time leaving you in shame.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Firetooth on July 29, 2012, 07:44:33 AM
Sevz just stop with your ego trip. Literally, stop posting. I'm tired of reading your insane rants. Your view is just so warped, I'm not even going to bother with any more of this.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 29, 2012, 08:36:48 AM
Then don't talk about me next time. You called me out dude I didn't egg you on or nothing. All I was doing was chilling passive in the game not on the forums.

Red Special? More like little red riding hood. You say "Sevz, what a big ego you have?" and i'm like "All the better to headbutt you wiv"
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shoot on July 30, 2012, 02:12:45 AM
From what I noticed with sack, it seems the amount of resources taken with each is around 0.1%, which isn't that significant. To me, it seems like a nice extra bonus to come with a land grab I would have normally done, but the amount gained doesn't seem like it is worth attacking just for the sole purpose of sacking somebody's resources even if they have a significant amount on them.

When I did have a significant amount of resources on hand, I just opted to drop my land to the land farm to give people less incentive to hit me (and sack my resources in the process).
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 30, 2012, 06:24:35 AM
it's actually around 0.25%, but yea. Not sure why everyone complains about it. It's no stronger than it is on reg.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Durza on July 30, 2012, 08:57:58 AM
the complaints come from how the loss of land coupled with resources messes up the start of a run
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 30, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: Shadow on July 30, 2012, 06:24:35 AM
it's actually around 0.25%, but yea. Not sure why everyone complains about it. It's no stronger than it is on reg.
I hate it in reg
Rats upkeep and production is extremely effective plus their market is great for selling so they shouldn't be paid during attacks. It makes 2 on 1 fights impossible and when players are getting cheated by someone on nothing they leave. I guess it's fine for you cos you don't give a crap if you waste other peoples hard work.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Firetooth on July 30, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Honestly, sack really is pretty weak. You're the only casher/farmer who ever seems to complain about it. TWO of the goals of 3.0 wERE encouraging people to make more effort to defend their land, and making a mre active market. Sacking is an incentive to either try to defend your land to prevent sackings or market your resources.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 30, 2012, 02:38:11 PM
Even if sack maxxes out on your every time, you can only lose 10% of your resources in 21 attacks. You can still mass resources in 3.0. I've done it a few times.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Durza on July 30, 2012, 03:43:43 PM
that implys that you have no clan
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 30, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
~20 attacks is typical for land grabs anyway, even if you are clanned.

But even 50 attacks takes only about 25% of your resources, and someone has to be pretty pissed to spend all that time.

It's a risk/reward thing. Stockpiling can pay off big, if you hang onto it, but it can also backfire if you lose out near the end. Stockpiling should not be an auto-win strategy like it is on reg.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Gen. Volkov on July 30, 2012, 05:54:17 PM
QuoteYou think this doesn't bother me Volkov? How hard is it for him to ask me about it? Not at all but this is directly putting things in Firetooths head. It's what he does.

While I'm sure it does bother you, you can't really say that you have been fair to Shadow either.

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I made a post
The problem was addressed
I delete my post and get called unhelpful behind my back.

Well no, the problem was briefly made known, but it wasn't addressed until later.

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See how he manipulates things? Does everyone? I'm a fair person. I spent most of this round playing peacefully trying to sort out my problem with this rodent and he still constantly attacked and stole my stuff.

You two have had an adversarial relationship for awhile now, and I sincerely doubt you made an honest effort to actually sort out your problems with Shadow.

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As for that win of Shadows did you know that was when Snare was helping him? Lots of people flooding him with troops and it was so long ago that Peace Alliance was aggressive.

That was just the first one I stumbled across. I'm fairly certain there have been other, more recent wins as well. But that wasn't really the point, you said he had zero wins since you've been here, and that round proves that is a false statement.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 30, 2012, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: Shadow on July 30, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
~20 attacks is typical for land grabs anyway, even if you are clanned.
But even 50 attacks takes only about 25% of your resources, and someone has to be pretty pissed to spend all that time.
Are you sure on these numbers?
After 5 days the plateau effect where your next 550turns go towards the enemy in less turns that it took you to make X amount. Are you all so stupid your gonna tell me what's what?
I laughed at this Firetoothfairy said: TWO of the goals of 3.0 wERE encouraging people to make more effort to defend their land, and making a mre active market.

But what happened when I defend the land? You all cried. When I was using the market? Shadow put up to a 50% tax on it.
Imagine there were 100 players, you run every 24 hours, after you run law of averages say the next person runs 15minutes later to drop sacks. 11 hours later hitlimit is cleaned for more sacks then once again right before the run.
Solo player can't compete against teamwork on the defensive field. Realistically 200k solo can be broken by 10k because the cheapest troops are twice as strong as they should be.
I guess there's no point arguing with morons. I won the last 2 rounds, best mate won a bunch before but we all don't know what we're talking about.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: windhound on July 31, 2012, 12:51:42 AM
That's a little self-centered Sevz

The market tax was put in place to stop people using it to pass troops iirc.
We've consistently made it harder to lock all the land in the game up.  Defense is to be encouraged, crippling the server by hording all the land isn't.  There are indeed some contradictions in there, but it is what it is.

If you've done both of those, congrats. 
The game has indeed been changed because of you.  But you are hardly the first person to influence features.
We have a reactionary feature set that changes with the player base.  Its part of the reason RWL is about to turn 10 years old.  There's one or two promis left with a more static code base, feel free to play them instead.

Sack isn't overpowered. 
If you're losing too much to sacks then adjust your strat.  Keeping a decent stockpile is smart.  Trying to amass a towering stack of resources has its disadvantages, as it should imho.  Poison and Murder have always been a part of the game, 3% unshielded 1% shielded.  0.25% (max?) isn't all that much.

Cheers.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Gen. Volkov on July 31, 2012, 02:08:31 AM
QuoteIf you're losing too much to sacks then adjust your strat.  Keeping a decent stockpile is smart.  Trying to amass a towering stack of resources has its disadvantages, as it should imho.  Poison and Murder have always been a part of the game, 3% unshielded 1% shielded.  0.25% (max?) isn't all that much.

Sevah's basic strat for a long time was just that windy, amass a towering stack of resources and then buy out everything for a high finish at the end of the set. Which is why he used to complain about sack, but then stopped when he changed his strat a bit at the release of 3.0. As for why he is complaining this set, that's because he was trying to do his old amass huge stockpile strat as a "passive" player. Only Shadow kept taking his stuff, because as we used to explain to Ollie, just because you are passive doesn't mean you aren't still competition. The irony, of course, is that he routinely ridiculed Ollie for playing passive and that he routinely did the same thing to Ollie that Shadow did to him this round. But now sack has affected him personally once again, so it's "overpowered".
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 31, 2012, 04:48:14 AM
stfu volkov your a jealous spiteful fool. Are you dedicated to discrediting me? who's doing better in both servers? Me. Shut up and listen to someone smarter. I was giving away stuff and i've got respect for PA our argument is that he insults me on the forums from time to time then hides behind a passive mask. I was genuinely trying to reason with shadow and kept getting a bitter response. Whether I was directly effected by sacks is of little consequence. If I was and I won then state my claim why is that questionable? I'm stating the facts about the situation so stop trying to derail the energy all the time. If I came second and complained you'd be calling me a sore loser wouldn't ya?
I know what i'm talking about whether the details are lacking or abundant depends on the seriousness of the change required.

Yes Windy, I speak for myself so it is self centred. I'm sure other people have encountered situations and have similar opinions. Sack has major ripple effects and a million reasons not to exist, half of what it is would still be painful towards the end. 
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 31, 2012, 06:24:35 AM
Sorry, sack is 0.5% average, 0.75% max, 0.25% min.

Average:
21 sacks - 10% taken
50 sacks - 22% taken

Note that when you sack, you also get significantly less land than you normally would, so you have to weigh the lost land against the gained resources.

Sack causes you to plateau, sure. That's the point - indy player are plateau'd by land, resource massers by sack. I'm sorry if that doesn't jive well with how you played. If you can suggest a better way to balance resource massing against indy playing, by all means make a suggestion.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on July 31, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
For some reason I've laid about 50 attacks in a row that have all hit below 40 acres.
Something is wrong taking land from specific people?
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on July 31, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
average land yield is 3.5%

40 acres from someone with 1000-1500 land is 2.7%-4%

Perfectly normal.

Note that you were also sacking the whole time, and when you sack, you get only 80% of the normal land. Which means the expected average land yield for someone at 1000 land would be 28, but anything from 0 to 56 is perfectly normal (and all equally likely).

Stop accusing me of cheating every time you imagine that the game is out to get you.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Gen. Volkov on July 31, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Quotestfu volkov your a jealous spiteful fool.

See, this is why people tend to have adversarial relationships with you. You take everything as a personal affront and are confrontational and foul-mouthed. I'm neither jealous or spiteful Sevah. Certainly not a fool. Why you haven't been gagged for your words to me and members of the staff, I have no idea.

QuoteAre you dedicated to discrediting me? who's doing better in both servers? Me. Shut up and listen to someone smarter.

No, I'm not dedicated to discrediting you, I don't have to, you discredit yourself. I just point it out. Who's doing better in a server is not germane to the point I am making, and is hardly a valuation on who is smarter. I'll shut up and listen to you when you start making good points with good reasoning. As long as you keep whining and blustering about things in a self-centered, egotistical way, I'll keep talking.

QuoteI was giving away stuff and i've got respect for PA our argument is that he insults me on the forums from time to time then hides behind a passive mask.

You were giving away stuff? Must not have been too much if shadow was able sack "hundreds of billions" of cash off you. Also, I do believe you have said, on multiple occasions that you quote "Have no respect for PA".

QuoteI was genuinely trying to reason with shadow and kept getting a bitter response.

If you say so. Gonna say, I have my doubts about the validity of this statement.

QuoteWhether I was directly effected by sacks is of little consequence. If I was and I won then state my claim why is that questionable?

Why exactly do you think being aided to a win somehow means that you are free of questions about your statements?

QuoteI'm stating the facts about the situation so stop trying to derail the energy all the time. If I came second and complained you'd be calling me a sore loser wouldn't ya?

No, I'd be saying the same thing I am now. Where you place of of little consequence to the points I am making. Also, no, you aren't stating the facts, you are stating your opinion.

QuoteI know what i'm talking about whether the details are lacking or abundant depends on the seriousness of the change required.

There are more than a few people here who also know what they are talking about. However, the difference is, when those other folks give an opinion about the strength or weakness of part of the game, they give actual reasons and details. You are basically just saying "sack is too strong because I can't make a huge towering stack of resources and hold it completely safely anymore." Which completely misses the point, that sack is in the game to help combat exactly that strategy.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sevz on August 02, 2012, 07:28:50 AM
they weren't all sacks and my point is from 2k down i was getting average 5-15 acres. At that rate would of taken another 500 turns to kill. I prepared the kill then came to collect it an things seemed bugged. I'll kill some else to prove it?
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on August 02, 2012, 07:48:36 AM
Again, you're imagining things because it's me. But whatever it takes to feed your eternal victim mentality.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shoot on August 02, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: Sevz on August 02, 2012, 07:28:50 AM
they weren't all sacks and my point is from 2k down i was getting average 5-15 acres. At that rate would of taken another 500 turns to kill. I prepared the kill then came to collect it an things seemed bugged. I'll kill some else to prove it?

If it wasn't purely bad luck (which is easily possible), it could be a land bug. Earlier this set I had roughly 2500 acres that wasn't showing as built or free land before it got fixed, and the land gain formula from attacking (assuming it's based on the stock QM Prom code) takes from unbugged land only, so maybe some other people got hit with it too? If someone was bugged in this fashion, you'd eventually start gaining 0 acres once they ran out of buildings/free land to take.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shadow on August 02, 2012, 11:27:06 AM
No, my account isn't land bugged at the moment.
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Kyrolin Zenyar on August 25, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
Now, I don't know either Sevz or Shadow very well, so I'm not taking sides, but it seems to me that, logically speaking, Sevz's claim that Shadow is "using the bugs to make him win" and is therefore corrupt doesn't jive with his other claim that  Shadows is zero for zero since he joined.

Also, I like the new Turbo look!
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Firetooth on August 25, 2012, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: Kyrolin Zenyar on August 25, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
Now, I don't know either Sevz or Shadow very well, so I'm not taking sides, but it seems to me that, logically speaking, Sevz's claim that Shadow is "using the bugs to make him win" and is therefore corrupt doesn't jive with his other claim that  Shadows is zero for zero since he joined.

Sevz doesn't understand the concept of "logic."
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Shores of Tripoli on August 25, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
 Why is it that when I see a big long multi-paged thread that I haven't seen before I always click on the last page to find that the conversation has once again, broken down to an argument about Sevs' lack of logic?
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Durza on August 26, 2012, 08:49:23 AM
I have no idea shores, and I think very few could answer that question
Title: Re: lolBots -- The random account take over explained
Post by: Sharptooh on August 26, 2012, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: Shores of Tripoli on August 25, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
Why is it that when I see a big long multi-paged thread that I haven't seen before I always click on the last page to find that the conversation has once again, broken down to an argument about Sevs' lack of logic?

Maybe because most of Sevah's claims are nonsensical?