Out of curiosity, what race does everyone feel to be the worst race to play in RWL, and why?
rat.... or weasel
crow...
just because the game guide says so
Weasel is O.K. Rat or crow.
Crow. Almost everything is in the negative and no special leader mission.
CROW.
Edit: OHMYGOSH I HAVE 1003 posts!!
Quote from: Peace Alliancerat.... or weasel
Err... Weasel is arguably one of the best. :blink:
Rat.
Possibly Lizard.
Then again, everything depends on your strategy. Weasel is the best for some players and the worst for others.
Quote from: calriaRat.
Possibly Lizard.
Then again, everything depends on your strategy. Weasel is the best for some players and the worst for others.
true. However, it struck me as odd why Peace said weasel was the worst race, when last round he himself finished with a pressgang strategy. They are basically the same; They make the same amount of NW with their special ability, with the same cost of loyalty each. It all comes down to the race chart with the + and -, which I am having a bit of trouble finding.
Either way Peace, if weasel is so terrible, why did Naltaca finish first with the corsair strategy last round?
I find crow to be one of the best because people are a little intimidated by a crow cause it's saying, I AM A GOD OF REDWALL, so your obviously going to be a newb in the lowlie ranks, or a strong player.
hmmm...I came 6th with a rat on my first set here :lol:
Does anyone know where the + and - chart for the races is?
lost...
indeed.. ze chart tis gone.. hopefully Retto will put it back.. Marten is getting dull.. need a new race..
I think crow is still the worst for most players, but, as was said, everyone has a slightly differnt strat, and a race that hampers leaders (and helps with offensive) would be the worst for me..
Rat
Weasel = SKIFFIES
Crow = Evilness
rat
Crow is the worst race, period. XD Everyone that thinks otherwise must have serious mental problems... even the average rat is better than crow...
And why is weasel bad? o_O You can mass skiffs, and leaders are strong as well, right?
Well now, I change. Crow is the worst, but you can still do well as minuses can be overcome easily with certain strats
Quote from: NohcnonkCrow is the worst race, period. XD Everyone that thinks otherwise must have serious mental problems... even the average rat is better than crow...
And why is weasel bad? o_O You can mass skiffs, and leaders are strong as well, right?
Perhaps weasel would be bad for rat-massing strats? Just a thought...
Yep, a weasel is hard to successfully rat-mass with ...
Strangely enough. I'm better with Weasel than Wolf.
On-topic, Rat. Not crow, for the reason Juby stated. :D
Plus that awful Raven/Wolf deficit.
Quote from: calriaQuote from: NohcnonkCrow is the worst race, period. XD Everyone that thinks otherwise must have serious mental problems... even the average rat is better than crow...
And why is weasel bad? o_O You can mass skiffs, and leaders are strong as well, right?
Perhaps weasel would be bad for rat-massing strats? Just a thought...
That's like saying that Switzerland is a better country than the U.S. because it's less crowded. I'm judging the races overall. Weasels may be worse at massing rats than crows (somehow), but weasels can do lot of other things better than crow. Judging the races by the strat that you use is closeminded. Judging a race by the strat that works best with it is one way of doing it. Example: Marten may have a lot of negative sides but you can do very well if you use them to make money with leaders, and buy troops at a discounted price. It's just that calling weasels are the worst race just beause they can't mass rats doesn't make sense to me.
Just using your example to show how I'm thinking, Sarah. I'm pretty sure that you knew that I wasn't trying to dis your suggestion or anything. ^_^
i'm going to have to say crow
Whoops. Meant to say leaders.
BTW, rat-massing is fine with Weasels. I had over 10 million two eras ago.
Weasel is as good for leader-loot as most races.
I'd rank the races:
1. Wolf
2. Weasel
3. Wildcat
4. Marten
In terms of leader playing. Marten leader deficit == Steal-o-rama. :D
Weasel is by far not the worst race out there. Has anyone seen my banner? I was the winner of the hacked era, even though I got robbed and it was very close, I still won that era. And what race was I? I was a weasel. That's right, I won that round with a weasel. Weasel is not the best race but is the best remmedy for getting around wildcats which is arguably the best race out there on turbo now that the black market is disabled. Crow is absolutely the worst race. It has nearly all negative skills and it has no leaders ability. It may perhaps, as juby said, be feared because that could be an awsome player but that race is still bad.
plus, in this test you have to judge it on it's own without the response of other players.
Quote from: ~>John<~plus, in this test you have to judge it on it's own without the response of other players.
Very true. The title is not "which race inspires the most fear". It's which is the worst race.
And so its crow :)
Though some could be deemed worse based on the what the majority of players were using if we were allowed to include the response
Still think Rat... That much of a leader deficit sucketh.
Weasel is one of the best races - for me.
Then again, I play reg, not turbo.
i think rat and crow are pretty equally bad, unless you're going to get a stockpile of cash on lottery tickets :huh:
Rat has almost 0% on all of its race bonuses compared to the crow which has -10% on nearly all of it's race bonuses.
I believe the worst race is Crow.
My favorites are:
Wildcat
Weasel
Marten
Crow was made to be useless. It was supposed to be a "challenge". That aside, everything is useful, but the non-leader-prone races are becoming less and less useful.
actually, they're just as useful, but the leader ones are becoming more useful
Quote from: IFmanactually, they're just as useful, but the leader ones are becoming more useful
And, therefore, troop-based races are now less effective comparatively.
ok, so I gather that the majority of RWL that has posted in this topic believe that crow is the worst. I agree. Other than that , I believe weasel is the best race. If you pressgang to get troops, you get three different types of troops, which are very expencive to keep. Unless it is in a final run to make NW, it is not working toward your advantage (only because the black market is banned). If you are a weasel and you need land, you can corsair a bit, which is less expencive to keep, and more acurate while attacking.( similar to having 100 percent on one troop type and building barracks)
Again, the races are very similar, but I again, favor weasels.
My explainations don't seem very liable, but I am pressed for time. I will give some valid points later.
(everything conserning races may change dramatically for next round. If leaders are disabled, and the chart for races comes back, choosing a race will take a closer eye than before, yet matter in gameplay much less.
Quotewhich is less expencive to keep
Not true. Skiffs cost the most to keep, and you gain more than if you Pressgang (I've experimented and done both with around the same net). And once again, it all depends on your strat. Massing leaders just makes having a "horde to fight other Warlords" pointless...
Well corsairing gives you less nw for more turns while pressganging gives you greater nw with fewer turns even though it consumes partially more, I would say it's worth it but wolf snare does present a valid point.
They got rid of the races chart? From what I remember wild cat has +16 atk and +6 def +build +like 12 troops and -20% mercs and -leaders. rats have +20 troops and -20 leaders.
Quote from: Badrang the TyrantNot true. Skiffs cost the most to keep, and you gain more than if you Pressgang (I've experimented and done both with around the same net). And once again, it all depends on your strat. Massing leaders just makes having a "horde to fight other Warlords" pointless...
exactly. For my strategy, If I need some more loyalty and Im not exactly stacked with fod and cash, I'd rather use cprsair to get troops. With pressgang, your troops aren't focused into one group, and you pay for troops you dont need. It is also easier to break people because your troops ar infact all one type. You need not worry about keeping the land because you only need it to fix your loyalty and you can expect it to get taken. You just make a few more troops the next day and repeat it if needed.
besides, weasel and wildcat are the same on the + and - chart, so they are basically even.
If you don't have a context to put something into, that thing has no value.