Redwall: Warlords

 Fine then:

Juska's True Rat Masser

Races: Rat, Ermine, Wildcat, Crow, Weasel, Fox (Listed from best to worst)

Building % when running turns:

30% camps
50% barracks
19% foragers
1% huts (those are flexible (except the camps) change them to suit you)

Building %'s when getting turns:

55% Towers
44% Barracks
1% huts (again flexible if you can afford it go 99% towers, but that what I use)

Protection: explore 200 turns

1st run: Build 600 tents and 2400 markets, 30% camps 19% foragers 1% huts rest barracks(the camps for the first run are kinda optional depends) Set troop production at 75% rats 5% weasels 15% stoats 5% skiffs

Get some rats, and go out and attack all in your path untill you have 80 turns

Last 80 turns: Demolish all markets, foragers, and camps(again demolishing the camps are optional)
Build that all into towers.

2nd run: If you didn't demolish your camps sell all your weasels,stoats, and skiffs(all but your attacking troop) and then demolish your towers, now build as stated earlier (build %'s when running turns) If you demolished your camps then take out a loan demolish your towers and build as stated above. Now attack and farm untill you have 80 turns and then demolish all your camps/foragers and build towers.

3rd run: Repeat


Tips: Going into debt is ok, if you don't use rats as your attacking troops make sure you have at least 150 rats per tower to man them. You will be broken by leader massers, so make sure you have your defences up 24/7 and sack and capture/standard their bums when you run turns. IMPORTANT!!!!!!: Never sell troops on the mercinaires if you don't have 30% camps. Only use the public market if you want to store armies for an attack/ or you can sell troops while you have camps and then recall them 30min later after you've rebuilt your towers. Only run turns when you have 400-450 turns. Get to the Northlands ASAP for the +22.5% troop production bonus, make sure you have lots of loyalty to prepare raiders and recall them and raise defences, so every few runs build 10% huts then demolish them down to 1% before you use spells.

Pros: You can brake anyone in the game with rats or stoats. No one but super rat/stoat/skiffs(doubtful) massers will ever brake you with troops. You can attack almost non-stop. Works well in both turbo and regular(though not this round)

Cons: Leader players will always be a thorn in your side, but if you play right that's all they will be. You have to have 400-450 turns to run, never use less. You will always be a little short of cash unless you can go unbroken(like I did in turbo)

I think that's all if I think of something I'll post it. Feel free to ask questions.

 The problem I have with demolishing and rebuilding structures is it takes a long time. As you said yourself, always use 450 turns. That leaves no reserve, greatly reduceing any defenceive capibilities. You are also limited to just about one run every two days. That's plenaty of time for leader, or even troop massers totake most of your land, while you are hoplessly waiting for turns.

 Brilliant. ::agrees::

no wonder you did so well in turbo..

 Why don't you post your strat Nev. Like a said troop massers can't break you. You will get hit by leader massers like I said there's no way to stop that and it doesn't matter if you lose 75% of your land because you can attack non-stop.

QuoteThe problem I have with demolishing and rebuilding structures is it takes a long time.

I takes around 100 to do all your demolishing and buildings, your gaining troops everyone of those turns.

QuoteThat leaves no reserve, greatly reduceing any defenceive capibilities.

Why do you need reserves for better defence? Are you saying if you get farmed from 40k to 10k you should use 200 turns to get back to 40k? I'd rather use 450 turns and get to 80k and hopefully not be broken. If someone is trying to kill you wait till your down to 100 land and then explore like 5 turns.

QuoteYou are also limited to just about one run every two days. That's plenaty of time for leader, or even troop massers to take most of your land, while you are hoplessly waiting for turns.

It takes 15 hours in turbo to get full turns and 75 hours in reg(we should get 2 turns every 10min IMO) Who cares if they take your land, that's the best part about this strat you can take it all back and they can't stop you even if you get hit really hard you can get higher than you did last run, unless you don't put up a shield and someone murders all your armies.

 *whistle* Wow.

Building all huts is so much simpler.  :D  

 What if your troops are murdered? Not so unstoppable then, eh?

 I think I already stated thousands of times 1. Keep defences raised 24/7 2. If you get murdered then your going to be in trouble for a run, just revert back to the 1st run outta protection and you'll be fine.

 "I takes around 100 to do all your demolishing and buildings, your gaining troops everyone of those turns."
In the proscess you are burning through a whole lot of food and money. Even if you take out a loan you will not be able to keep enough cash around to re-build and feed your troops.

"Who cares if they take your land, that's the best part about this strat you can take it all back and they can't stop you even if you get hit really hard you can get higher than you did last run, unless you don't put up a shield and someone murders all your armies."
You then would not have the land to support your troops, even if you put all land into farms and markets.  You would be looseing 3% a turn for quite some time before you can get enough land through retals to ballance out your economny.


EDIT: Although with the higher turn rate of Turbo, the stragity makes since. There you can make one to two "runs" every day with this stragity, reduceing your vundrability to leader assults.  

 I've ran this strategy through wars with Loren in reg. I've been mudered and sabatoaged while I've had defences up everytime I'd get on, I've been hit from 60k land to 15k land. And I have come back every run, without getting 3% losses. You are telling my me strat doesn't work when I've played it and it has worked and you think you know the code so well that you can say something doesn't work when you've never even tried it? Go get some leaders and store some food.

 Just one question- what do you do about money? With your camps, you can sell troops for a pretty penny for mercs, but when you start reaching high net vs. land ratio (like 150 mil net on 20k land for instance) and your barracks are barely producing enough rats for you to sell on the market and stay in the green, what do you do to advance beyond that point?

 Well, that makes me wonder, how much food and cash do you have stored at the end of each attack run? You are right in that I make a few too many assumptions, but in my experiance tearing down your economny at the end of each attack run simply costs too much.


I see three good ways of breaking this stragity.
1. Leader Massing (obvious)
2. Attacking with a trooptype other than the massed one during an attack run (which would be devistateing if planned correctly)
3.  Useing the no rats trick to avoid the guard towers to attack while you are waiting for turns.

The second two do mean quite a bit of intelgance guesswork, but have devistateing effects if pulled off correctly.

Quote from: Myrhakel*whistle* Wow.

Building all huts is so much simpler.  :D

Indeed.  And people say leaders are so complicated...

 Orcrist- Basically you need about 20k land for every 30mil net to actually gain any net on a run, if you can't get that it's not even worth running turns unless you just want to get some people mad.

Nev-  I have enough food to get me through the 60-80 turns whne I don't have any foragers at the beginning, cash, there's 4 ways to play that out 1. Sell enough troops before hand to have enough cash to support the 35 turns when you don't have turns. 2. Put some troops on the public market, if they don't sell take out a loan. 3. Don't save any money up and take out a loan for the first 35 turns(if you think you need to do this take out a loan before you get hit so you'll have more money) 4. Sell troops on the mercinaries to get you through untill you can make your camps.

1. You will be safe and have base after you've been hit, but your defences will be weaker. 2. Risky bad defences, and if it fails you have to take out a loan, but if they sell you are going to be in great shape. 3. Maximum defence, but you've got a loan. 4. Not recommended, I'd rather take out a loan, your decsion.

Build your camps first then your foragers, if your real desperate demolish the 1 turns max, build the one turns max, demo, build, sell some troops, and so on, untill you can get 30% camps and do the same for foragers. That's actually the best way to do it because you decrease the amount of lost rescources, but it's real time consumting and if someone hits you while your towers are down your pretty much done for.

Quotebut in my experiance tearing down your economny at the end of each attack run simply costs too much.

Try the strat out in the low turbo ranks for like 3 runs, thats the perfect enviorment, just don't get to much land our your never gonna be able to build on it this set.

 One question, just where do you get cash then. I see no markets mentioned for your running turns distrabuation. Completely from selling troops?

 Yes. The last few runs though I've been lucky enough to get aid and stole over 1bil from 2 people.

 So Juska, why don't you tell me this...
If your strategy is such a winner, why have you recently died in /both/ servers? XD

 Are u in a clan?  Post your empire here and see if killing is that hard.

 Lmao, perfectly said Ash.

I gave up in Turbo because theres now way to win except by rescource massing because of the hit limits. And I am never going to rescource mass. I didn't use that strat in turbo anyway after like the first 3 days because once you hit the 1mil land mark it isn't profitable to demo and rebuild. If someone killed me or if my account was deleted due to inactivity I am not sure, all I know is that my user name no longer exists.

In regular I wasn't using this strat before I got killed, I was using a leader strat, I'd like to point out I had nearly 50mil net before I was killed and I had over 90 before I was murdered. I'm back and using this strat and if it wasn't for leader attacks no one would have broken me in the last 3 days.

Look at round 16 turbo, I went unbroken for 2 weeks and I could have went unbroken for almost 3 if I hadn't made a clan.

Oh and I didn't have a little Neobaron angel tipped off the enemies attacks and watching over my empire so he could kick me out when I got down to 100 land.

Quote from: AshamanAre u in a clan?  Post your empire here and see if killing is that hard.

Snare (#43)
Turns (?) 173 (max 450)
Turns Stored (?) 0 (max 150)
Rank (?) #1
Workers (?) 26,311,528
Acres (?) 7,911,807
Cash (?) $690,694,288,297
Food (?) 616,825,879,432
Loyalty (?) 3,906,505,541
Networth (?) $19,127,689,000
 Location (?) Southsward
Race (?) Weasel
Health (?) 62%
Tax Rate (?) 10%
Rats (?) 242,570,772
Weasels (?) 228,851
Stoats (?) 366,455
Skiffs (?) 1,601,264
Leaders (?) 1,113,022,240



Bring it.

 omg, a farmer!  So u gonna win the game from just your grain networth eh?  Very impressive.  I've seen this kinda *cr@p* before at other server and the admins was sensible enough to make grains worthless.

 *nod*
you're a smart one, aren't ya?
*rolls eyes* Senseless brute.. I'm no farmer.. notice my leaders... I could get anyone's stats in the top ten.. Infact I think I will... The only reason I posted my stats, my /own/ stats, was to show that I am fearless to the likes of you. I guess you missed that, eh?  :P
Honestly, take a shot at me... I'm even in a clan for you...
Don't worry, I've got a little something special planned for winning turbo.. Not that you would be able to figure it out.. Let's just say, I will have more skiffs than even windy after I'm through.  :blink:

 *coughimmaturelittlebratcoughcough* Boy, I must be catching a cold...

 Snare if I decided to play I could farm for 5 days to be able to attack you then brake with any pitiful troops type I wanted.

Or me and Ash could take out your leaders and poision all your stuff.

I'm focused on Regular.

What's your regular empire?

I can't be beleive you guys are making fun of Ash...*coughgonnagetyourselfkilledifyoudon'tstopcoughcough*

 What, he's going to kill me? Pur-leez. If you guys are dumb enough to waste rescources killing me, go right ahead. And, Snare, your strats pretty obvious... Hmm, a Weasel with 3,000,000 loyalty? I wonder what he'll do to get more skiffs...

 We would kill you, but if you haven't heard we have a no killing truce atm.

 Well, maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. However, as soon as my brother's out of the hospital, you'll have to kill me in about a five-minute spree, because I'll be checking on it every fifteen. I generally do that when I stay home, just to make sure nothing's happening, nobody in my clan is getting killed, that sort of thing.

 phhh... This is pathetic... Juska, almighty one, please spare me.

:rolleyes:

I really would like to see you back up these threats... I would indeed.

 You have lots of leaders and rats...  :D  :D  But thank you, Snare.  

 Towers, they do the trick.. Full huts... alot more money.. yup

 I've had 500mil rats with 1/5 of that net in turbo before I got deleted. Oh it's coming Snare.

  :D  If you insist...

 That's because rats don't give you much net, Juska, because rat massing is n00by. N00by, baby, yeah!

 It was because I didn't have 9mil land and over 600bil food not because rats don't give good net, besdies it I went all rats I could have been over 1bil rats.

 Exactly, though, rats don't give much net and all your net was rats! You actually understood! And I can barely read the last part of your post, please either type nearly perfectly or else spellcheck.

 Yo, juska, Now isn't the time.. I'll deal with you next round, if you still want to "fight".

 Yo, juska, Now isn't the time.. I'll deal with you next round, if you still want to "fight".

 Juska prefers to fight with words, unless he's attacking a defenseless opponent with four other people.

 You must have serious food problems if your net is all made up of rats...

 Have you played turbo this round Orcrist? It's not that hard to get food.

Besides I only have those rats at the very end and beginning of my turn runs, then I sell down for the last 400 turns.

I'm coming to get you Snare.

Razorclaw, lmao.

 I'm coming to get you, Snare? If you replaced "Julie" with Snare, then those would be the same words as when I started stalking Julie. Meh.

 well... I'll just kill you in every round after this.... I've already gained emperor this round..

Quote from: Wolf SnareI've already gained emperor this round..

You have? Didn't think you were at the top that long...

 hehe. A bit over seven days. I didn't stay too far ahead at all, but still managed to stay there.. oh Juska, meet Myrh, the reason I backed out of fighting you this round. :P  

Quote from: Wolf Snarehehe. A bit over seven days. I didn't stay too far ahead at all, but still managed to stay there.. oh Juska, meet Myrh, the reason I backed out of fighting you this round. :P

Ehehehehe.  I heard you started it though? :ph34r:  

 Well, our clans were at war, and she started retaling for the captures I did earlier, and I had to hit her back.. eventually she was knocking me down to less than the day before, I had poisoned her in hopes of chasing her away, and in the end I sent her all of my skiffs. Now I killed meself and Nohc's going to wiiin!

 Yes he is. *bites Nohc*

Hmm.. *considers poison*

 Poisoning me?  You gotta be kidding...

 Muahahaha! Once I leader-massed, and I got 1.5M leaders! W00t! And that was in turbo...  :lol:  I stink with leaders (hey, I'd fit nicely into Sworn).

Quote from: RazorClawMuahahaha! Once I leader-massed, and I got 1.5M leaders! W00t! And that was in turbo...  :lol:  I stink with leaders (hey, I'd fit nicely into Sworn).

Come on. It's IMPOSSIBLE to stink with leaders if you leader mass.  

 

Quote from: JuskaLike a said troop massers can't break you.

I beg to differ, my skiff massing breaks you when I've spent enough time building up my troops, and my losses arent even that bad

Quote from: MyrhakelCome on. It's IMPOSSIBLE to stink with leaders if you leader mass.

Not if you're me...

 Deathspear first off I was already broken so my towers were down to less than 6k instead of the 25k I had second off I don't mass skiffs so breaking me shouldn't be too hard.

So if I decided to go 100% skiffs your telling me you could break over 4.5mil skiffs?

 wow

Nohc did you decide to kill yourself?

 I've killed myself three times in real life...

 *cackle* :snicker:


::agrees::

 Four, now. I was depressed last night.

 lol
When does Regular run until?

 Until a day before I become Emperor, just like always... *sighs*

 It ends this month?  Who told you?

 it sure better not end this month.

 Meh.
I just asked because I joined, and it has been on quite a while.. It will most likely last a while. The last one was supposed to be the longest reg era, but Josh hacked us.  :(  

 I have 9,953 troops including skiffs, leaders, and workers, and I only joined about an hour ago.Maybe a half hour.I wasn't looking at my clock when I joined, but I know that this is only my first day as a Warlord.

 Your better off just exploring all 200 turns in protection and start building once your out.

 Yeah. Even better, you might want to check out this "Juska's true Strategy" thingy. I've heard some rave reviews. :P  

 He's right you know. It's the best new strat out there.

Or if your looking for something a little less challenging check out: WSU

Wolf's Snare University for food storing losers

I heard the first lesson is: Build a hut, feast, store the food.

 Hey buddy, uncalled for.  :P

I know you are good without huts, and I respect that. But I'm sorry to say that they are part of the game. And in this game, it's quite obvious that leader massers /win/. Besides, Nohc simply stores food. I use corsair and such.  :P

You must have incredible patience. either that or a thick skull. without leaders you just start over from scratch everyday. *shrug* I'm not one to critisize, but you can't expect to use your strategy on a regular basis and gain from it.. Atleast not near as well as you could with leaders.
:huh:  

 I'm ranked 7th in regular, and the only indy there.

I'm fine with huts, i jut think storing food is stupid.

 Ahh... well, I do too, for the most part.. As I said, I prefer using corsair and pressgang.. it's funner, and it gives you alot more NW.

Quote from: Wolf SnareBesides, Nohc simply stores food. I use corsair and such.  :P

Don't you judge me now too... It's not like I'm a worthless player because I like having food around, people.

 Well, Apparently I can't play anymore, because someone deleted my e-mail account before I could read the validation code*Steam shoots out of his ears* :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  

 Resend the validation then.

 Someone deleted it, Guthorm. RE-sending an e-mail to a deleted e-mail account does one no good.  

 Well, I have a new e-mail now, but, I can't change the e-mail, sadly.

 Get into your account, delete it, and make a new one w/ your new e-mail.

 One Problem:I've acheived so much with King Malgore!I can't just delete him!The Webmaster must have some way to change it!I hope.

 Message retto, if you have aim he is zlopid.

 Besides, it takes a week to delete an account, does it not?

 That too!Anyway, I think that I was deleted anyway because I wasn't in the top ten.I joined, sadly, on the 28th of August.Oh well!

 *Is horribly confused* What the heck is going on here? Who is this King Malgore fellow? And Juska.... your strat is easy.... I've done so much better pure indy. Most of the time when I see you in the rankings you aren't in the top ten... why is this if you are so wondeful... methinks alot of good players were gone when this was started... lol. Sorry that was mean. But seriously. It seems a decent strat, I'd have a few suggestions if you want them PM me. As for leader strats.. of course they work better, but if you can run indy and recover from the attacks, and still advance in NW past about 30 or 40 mil in reg, I congratulate you. Not many can do it.

 Course it's better to pure indy, but it's impossible to pure indy because this game has absolutely no pm movement. If you mean don't gt, well ya I guess your right not gting is a better way to go sometimes.

 oh god... I remember the round you came and dominated.. Truely made a name for yourself that era... I can't believe how blind I was though..., Josh would have been the perfect solution. (he is, hands down, incredible without leaders.)

 Er.. eho are you talking to? And are you being sarcastic?  Its hard to tell on the comp.

 I was reffering to how Juska came and took over the leaderless era.. No sarcasm..

He posted this strategy afterwards, although he clearly thought he was "all that" for a few months following..

 Yes, in the Sworn/Loren war... Volkov, he got something like 2B net in the leaderless round of turbo. I shoulda played that, I stink with leaders...  

 Actually I think I had between 300-400mil net at max, but I went unbroken for 3 straight weeks untill the last day when after making a clan some Blades member broke me with stoats.

Josh? You think Josh coulda beat me? Without cheating? I guess he might have, him or PA would have given me a run for my money, though neither would have dominated. Josh uses leaders WS, I've never seen him play without them.

I thought I was all that? Well going unbroken for 3 straight weeks while being in first says alot, didn't you mass food and get your (behind) kicked that set or was the someone else below me?

 Ah. NICE JOB. I am so behind the times. lol. Just smack me if I post in a topic like this again.

 I never mass food, and I didn't play that set... But, Ereptor doesn't act as cocky as you, and he's completely dominated reg with leaders, too...

 Too bad I was peaceful the round in which Juska won.  Looking back, it probably would have been fun to go against him...

 well it's not like people are not going to attack you.

      And when they do it kinda screws everything up!~

Quote from: JuskaCourse it's better to pure indy, but it's impossible to pure indy because this game has absolutely no pm movement. If you mean don't gt, well ya I guess your right not gting is a better way to go sometimes.

:blink:

I don't understand acronyms too well.

Quote from: Wolf SnareWell, our clans were at war, and she started retaling for the captures I did earlier, and I had to hit her back.. eventually she was knocking me down to less than the day before, I had poisoned her in hopes of chasing her away, and in the end I sent her all of my skiffs. Now I killed meself and Nohc's going to wiiin!

She? Who do you mean?

 Read it use it love it.

Bumped. For the noobs.

No one is going to use this strat. I pawned you and this strategy with a basic indy strat. Theres just no hope in it I'm afraid. kaythx,

This is a basic indy strat, at least in the only sense this game will ever see.

Turbo, no leaders set like 17 I owned the entire game with this.

Stoats are still better. XD.

I was hoping you died and your silly stoats are better notionw ent with you  :-D

No such luck, I am alive and well, I cannot be killed by mortal men.  :-D

maybe ill try something like this this round.. although in the past i do very badly with troops massing strategies, or at least without leaders. o well, it will be interesting at least