Here we go again, and again it seems. By now most of you are probably trying to read between the lines on the drama of today. Let us back track a moment. As most of you know Firetooth forced the Woof clan into a war with me and my Honor clan because he just could not tolerate me being peaceful. After I went after the woof clan's networth, the other players in the game had a problem with me destroying things. Around that time the Badger was announced and I backed down from the war. Made peace with woof and agreed we would all work as a team for the better of all.
Within 24 hours a woof member broke the truce. Being a fair minded K9 I accepted the woof explanation and did not even post about it.
Apparently there has been problems in the woof ranks where Firetooth still wanted a war. For what reasons beyond his ego you will need to ask him. The woof clan knew this, could not tame their member and did not bother to warn me. My intel tells me this morning he let his clan know he intended to break the truce. The management did not boot their member and did not send me warnings.
Firetooth and his "Bro" (who I have always suspected is a multi-account because what brothers still live in the same basement after 14 years) do a back stab sneak attack with 119 leader missions in what is called a leader suicide. Of course they broke through. Untrained archers can take out a swordsman if there are enough shots being fired. The damage done under the flag of Woof was $160 Billion cash and 1.5 Billion food.
Let us put in perspective how much this is. If all the cash purchased food at the merc price of $10 then it would be 310,000,000 net worth. About half of what the active members of woof have. They acknowledge the fault is theirs and should pay the bill I have sent them. Needless to say they can't afford it without destroying everything they have built. Just think how many skiffs it would take to carry all that loot.
One may say, "Shouldn't woof be more upset at Firetooth and his 'bro' then only booting him until next round?"
Another may say, "Wasn't the old wolf in last rank 2 weeks ago, how was the crafty wolf hiding that much net worth?"
My clan is saying, "Slay the evil dogs that let this happen!"
But the real question is where to go from here? With The Badger coming if I take out woof in retaliation then the meaning of this game will never happen. Waiting for woof payment after they break The Badger will just be table scraps. Attacking Firetooth who has nothing will just be a never ending waste of time.
Open for suggestions and discussion ....
Wolf Bite
unrelated to the actual happenings, but for the record Sharptooh and Firetooth are definitely two real people, as I've talked to both of them together over voice chat.
QuoteApparently there has been problems in the woof ranks where Firetooth still wanted a war. For what reasons beyond his ego you will need to ask him. The woof clan knew this, could not tame their member and did not bother to warn me. My intel tells me this morning he let his clan know he intended to break the truce. The management did not boot their member and did not send me warnings.
I was at work this morning, I had no idea what had happened until I logged on this evening. I couldn't have booted him even had I known what was going on, seeing as I didn't have my phone and the work computers block RWL . Shadow is/was the only other member with the power to boot people, and as far as I know, he was at work while this was going down as well. That said, this happened while Firetooth was a member of Woof, and I accept blame for that aspect of it.
Oh, and confirming what Shadow said, the tooth brothers are definitely two people. I've had voice conversations with them as well.
Your work computer blocks RWL? Dang....
Because of the Badger, you may just have to do nothing.
See, accusing me of multi play is exactly why you needed to be taken down a peg. You've become sanctimonious and unable to accept your own middling ability, so just cry cheat every time you lose...and you lose a lot.
Unhappy that woof kicked me but hey, I get that they had their reasons. I'm sure I'll get over it soon enough, and now honour are weaker heading forwards. I'll cut my losses here.
Also, takedowns are easy in theory but tough in practice, simply due to the limited time most (not WB) of us seem to have to play this game. Sharp had a lunch break at work, and I managed to catch him for the last 45minutes of that...id wanted to do this earlier.
Man, it's somehow comforting that nothing has changed in the 10 years since I last played this game haha.
Oh, so ... this post has been rather quite. Meanwhile I see Firetooth just got a heap load of aid.
Should there not be a lot of outrage?
Wolf Bite
Nobody sent me aid. Have you actually gone senile, or is this just in character?
did he just take his food off market?
I've literally done nothing.
Also, an admin publicly promoting this conspiracy about me and sharp? I'm not forgetting that - it's entirely inappropriate.
Urg .... again.
Let us also try to keep factual ... again.
Myself, shadow, shael and windy are only Admins when we are doing admin functions. I even go the extra step to put (Admin Duties) to clarify. We can chat and have opinions. No one yells that an Admin is for or against a political candidate because they posted something. Let us not try to change or twist the established rules because it is me.
The words "I have always suspected is a multi-account" is a true statement. After all, when I left 5 years ago no one could verify you were two people and the Admins debated the issue at the time. If at some time later they verified, then fine. But to be accused, would be someone stating something as a FACT, not suspecting.
Thus, I did not accuse you nor was I acting as an Admin.
Let me think of an example of an accusation, Hummm, oh ... here one is: "an admin publicly promoting this conspiracy about me and sharp". Let us get past this who accused who shall we?
Just another example of things being taken out of context. Wanting to prove an opinion by twisting facts does not make the opinion correct.
Also trying to divert the conversation about the actions you actually did do by making unfounded statements yourself is not helping your cause. Even if it was true someone robbed a bank 10 years ago does not give someone else the right to run them over. Two unrelated issues.
I think the take away here is that no matter what I do or say, Firetooth will try to find ways to justify his actions.
I again, being back on topic, where is the outrage?
Wolf Bite
Apologies in advance, I know we're trying to get back on topic, but I'll quickly add my two cents. There were people to jump to Firetooths defence, so it's only fair someone does the same for WB...
Despite working with you many times in the past FT, the idea has even crossed my mind recently that you and sharptooth could be multi-accounts, so I don't blame WB for at least floating the idea. The Firetooth account was highly active and visits the forums. The Sharptooth account meanwhile lay dormant, but was suddenly brought into action to assist in a takedown on WB, and with the job done, has disappeared into obscurity once more.
I'm glad we've clarified that this is not the case. Apologies for thinking you could be so evil :P
Still, while not multi-accounting, the event described above really sounds like the next best thing. Certainly a handy advantage, so i can't blame WB for feeling a little ganged-up on.
Within the rules though, so fair bump, play on!
WB is such a bloody lawyer - he doesn't need anyone to jump to his defence. I used to respect him a lot, and was actually very cooperative when he first complained about being captured, but I've really lost respect for him due to his conduct this round - it's entirely unbecoming of an admin to victimise their playerbase in this way. But let's look at what he actually said:
Quote from: wolf bite on October 05, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
Firetooth and his "Bro" (who I have always suspected is a multi-account because what brothers still live in the same basement after 14 years)
First off, the basement personal attack is entirely unbecoming of an admin (or anybody who is not 12). Seconly, any intelligent person would make the inference here that he's accusing me of cheating. If it was a new player, fair enough, I could appreciate that. But WB
knows we aren't multiple accounts - as he alludes to here:
QuoteThe words "I have always suspected is a multi-account" is a true statement. After all, when I left 5 years ago no one could verify you were two people and the Admins debated the issue at the time. If at some time later they verified, then fine. But to be accused, would be someone stating something as a FACT, not suspecting.
So a) he says these discussions went on FIVE YEARS ago! Why is he dregging this up? Clearly, the admins verified that sharp is not a multi. Are the admins incompetent? b) he says that the Admins debated the issue...that's fine. But why make it public? Any impartial and fair admin would not publicly attack and accuse a member of a community if there was such an issue. Rather, they would discreetly approach the individual and then talk with them, and the supposed multi, with the admins, behind closed doors; this kind of rumour and hearsay sticks long after it has been disproven.
As we have seen here, WB would rather fan accusations and distrust towards a long-term member of the community. He make no apology, rather twists his and my words to somehow try and absolve himself from blame. He finds way to distance himself from the responsibility that comes with an admin, whilst simultaneously trying to bend his words - deliberately oblique in structure, but not in meaning - so that they somehow do not say what any person of reasonable intelligence would assume they mean.
As for the whole "it was not admin duties" erm no. If I went out and bottled somebody tonight, I would, besides getting arrested, almost certainly get fired from my job. Saying "it wasn't on SU bar staff duties!" would not absolve me that. Buck up, and own your actions and words, and accept that you are a representative of the face of this sight, even when not officially acting in an administrative capacity.
But seriously. I'm not forgiving or forgetting this in a hurry. It is completely, 100% out of line for WB to behave like this. I actually very, very nearly stopped playing this round earlier, because I feel there is a certain amount of toxicity, but Volk persuaded me to stay. Me and at least one other (who I will not name) have very nearly quit, directly because of WB levying these kind of accusations. But he will not admit, and he will not learn, and he will keep doing the same thing over, and over, and over, whilst trying to portray himself as the hero and victim. He'll use his authority as admin to validate his position, whilst refusing to take on the responsibilities that come with that.
Finally:
QuoteI think the take away here is that no matter what I do or say, Firetooth will try to find ways to justify his actions.
Said without even a hint of irony.
I wouldn't care if WB literally just said yeah, I messed up, shouldn't have said that, let's move on. However, that's not his style, and until I receive an apology, I'm not going to forget this.
Back to off topic again are we? Changing the discussion to be an insulting personal attack does not change facts. Although I disagree with everything right down to you being cooperative at first, as apposed to threatening, which is what started all this and dragged woof in. But as to accounts ....
All "bro" accounts are suspect, and always will be because it is very easy to log into a Bro account on the same IP and excuse it as someone else. I believe it was me that gave him the approval when Sharptooth started. We know Firetooth has a brother, I have 2 of them, but nether of mine play RWL and don't use my computer because we don't live in the same house.
You tend to forget that I can see the IPs of those that post. After 14 years both accounts still sometimes log in under the same IP.
There are also 8 other accounts attributed to your IP (none currently in game) which also are flagged as a possible multi by the computer.
I have suspect for any "bro" account or anytime an IP is used on more than one account, as probably does all the admins and every player. A true statement.
Again I ask, trying to get back on topic, If woof does not approve, then where is the outrage?
Wolf Bite
Quote from: wolf bite on October 07, 2016, 01:16:29 PM
You tend to forget that I can see the IPs of those that post. After 14 years both accounts still sometimes log in under the same IP.
There are also 8 other accounts attributed to your IP (none currently in game) which also are flagged as a possible multi by the computer.
I have suspect for any "bro" account or anytime an IP is used on more than one account, as probably does all the admins and every player. A true statement.
So you're using your admin powers to try and discredit people you are actively playing against?
Sharp defo does not have the same IP as me; he recently moved out of home. Furthermore, even if he was still at home, I'm at uni. So that's a completely irrelevant point to raise, in suggesting that we're multis because of the recent takedown.
Furthermore, I have a bunch of nonsense forum accounts, eg. Dirty Harry and Blobfish. Pretty sure my sister has an account, too, though she isn't playing...brb getting my "sister" so I can get another account to cheat poor, abused WB with.
These are historic issues, sorted out so, so long ago. It is completely beneath you to bring it up now, and shows how desperate you are to appear as the victim-cum-hero. Even now, there is no apology or contrition. To quote the ending of a/every Trump tweet: sad!
Ok, so leaving aside the personal issues you and Firetooth seem to have, I'm not sure what level of outrage you are looking for. Yeah, I'm pretty upset with Firetooth, he's made my in game life difficult. He broke a truce that I agreed too, and now I'm not in a fun position, especially when I'm having to devote a bunch of time to a game when I have other stuff going on in my life right now. So yeah, I'm pretty upset with Firetooth, I thought I made that clear when I kicked him from my clan and severed all ties with him. I wasn't aware that this thread was for publicly shaming Firetooth though. I generally try not to air dirty laundry on the forums. Believe me, he's already gotten an earful from me about this via Skype. I thought the thread was supposed to be for a constructive discussion about how to move forward.
^snake.
Quote from: wolf bite on October 07, 2016, 07:33:10 AM
Oh, so ... this post has been rather quite. Meanwhile I see Firetooth just got a heap load of aid.
Should there not be a lot of outrage?
Wolf Bite
@Volkov, can you please comment on this conspiracist nonsense? I know you're a snake and apparently think I'm awful and whatever - even after I've helped you to dominate reg for literally years at this stage and put the clan together this round!!! - but surely you can back me up in this, at least? Let's both agree WB is throwing around incorrect accusations.
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General, The thread was to talk about moving forward, which could not be done if Firetooth's actions had the support of your clan. So thank you for jumping in. I know how hard it can be to mix personal real world needs with playing a game.
I am almost afraid to post anything because something will be taken out of context.
The question is moving forward. It does take both sides to start a disagreement. Both sides may be reasonable in their thoughts gong in. But when a solution is come to, the past is put aside. I do not hold the past against woof and even was easy on the first mistake and accepted woof explanation without question with the honorable way it was stated. After the sneak attack, I stopped the retail attack my other clan members had which would have done the same dirty trick to woof (taking a lot more damage) that was done on me, because I have moved past the past and we are dealing straight across with each other. I seem to be having difficulty getting these point across to Firetooth as the one sided perspective of the past keeps being tossed at me. Maybe your past relationship can bring some truths over the rumors and get this to move on?
Wolf Bite
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OK, the snake thing was funny the first time, but now I'm getting annoyed. Like I said, I don't generally like airing dirty laundry on the forums, but what the hell was supposed to do after you went rogue? You've been pretty disruptive this round, I mean, whether or not WB was just looking for a war, you did give him a cassus belli to start one. (That's MY job BTW, you rat!) Then you steal from Juska and get him all upset with us, and we have to smooth that over, and now you've gone and annihilated WB's cash. This time he seems to be more reasonable at least, probably because I immediately kicked you. If I had backed your rogue actions, we'd probably be in a war right now. Besides, this wasn't just a few captures like last time. Anyone would see that many poisons as an act of war. You may have felt he deserved it, but we had a truce going, and you told me you agreed to it. Thought I could trust you man. :( I have no idea what you were thinking, were you drunk? You've just been too much of a problem child for me this round, and I couldn't have it in my clan anymore.
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@Volkov, can you please comment on this conspiracist nonsense? I know you're a snake and apparently think I'm awful and whatever - even after I've helped you to dominate reg for literally years at this stage and put the clan together this round!!! - but surely you can back me up in this, at least? Let's both agree WB is throwing around incorrect accusations.
Reg is a different situation, it was us against the server, and I've always appreciated you as a clanmate there. I guess I just didn't realize your bloodlust there would translate to the different game environment of RTR, where we couldn't dominate like in reg due the aid limits, so alliances and diplomacy were the order of the day. You're a loose cannon dude, and loose cannons are just not agreeable with clan play in this round. As for the "Firetooth got sent aid" thing... yeah, I'm not getting involved in that. I don't even see how its relevant. All I will say is that I, nor anyone in Woof sent you any aid.
Quote from: wolf bite
I seem to be having difficulty getting these point across to Firetooth as the one sided perspective of the past keeps being tossed at me. Maybe your past relationship can bring some truths over the rumors and get this to move on?
Yeah, I think he's pretty sore at me for kicking him, even if he deserved it. I don't know how much my past relationship is going to help here. I can't really help with what he seems to be mad at you about at present either way though. You accused him of being a multi, and I'd probably be pretty upset if someone accused me of that as well. I'll try to provide a reasonable perspective to try and get the issue of him destroying all your cash resolved though.
Quote from: Gen. Volkov on October 07, 2016, 02:12:51 PM
Reg is a different situation, it was us against the server, and I've always appreciated you as a clanmate there. I guess I just didn't realize your bloodlust there would translate to the different game environment of RTR, where we couldn't dominate like in reg due the aid limits, so alliances and diplomacy were the order of the day. You're a loose cannon dude, and loose cannons are just not agreeable with clan play in this round.
Not just a clanmate. Put agency together myself, and chose to emp you for the banterous messages, rather than emp myself - and for all my achievements, I've never been emp. I know it's not a proper lock-down emp, but it was still me giving for the sake of the team. I feel bad for messing woof up man, but I can't believe you'd just chuck me like this. We were in the first team to beat Sevz in 3.0! You and me, together, fighting the good fight. Now you chuck me, before even hearing my side of the story, appease WB - who accuses everyone outside Honour of cheating - and start putting me down on the forums. I could easy be first if I'd just been marketing food net all round, but I've given so much to this clan. Like, I was the one who got you, me and shads together to agree we needed Woof! Thought we were friends, man, but clearly you feel free to just chuck me under the bus when the going gets hard...I would never do that to you or Shadow.
Feel bad if I caused woof problems, but I took an opportunity, got burnt, but would do it again. WB needs to be held to account.
QuoteNot just a clanmate. Put agency together myself, and chose to emp you for the banterous messages, rather than emp myself - and for all my achievements, I've never been emp. I know it's not a proper lock-down emp, but it was still me giving for the sake of the team. I feel bad for messing woof up man, but I can't believe you'd just chuck me like this. We were in the first team to beat Sevz in 3.0! You and me, together, fighting the good fight. Now you chuck me, before even hearing my side of the story, appease WB - who accuses everyone outside Honour of cheating - and start putting me down on the forums. I could easy be first if I'd just been marketing food net all round, but I've given so much to this clan. Like, I was the one who got you, me and shads together to agree we needed Woof! Thought we were friends, man, but clearly you feel free to just chuck me under the bus when the going gets hard...I would never do that to you or Shadow.
I'm sorry you feel that way. You have to look at it from my perspective though. There we were, humming along getting ready to take on the badger, and all the sudden this wrench gets thrown in the works, and once again, it's you who did it! It seems like every fire I've had to put out this round, every problem I've had, you've been the one who caused it. Now, here we are, like a week away from the badger getting here, and I had two options. I could either back your rogue, possibly drunk, actions and get into a war that wrecks all the net we've been building from the start, or I can sever ties with you and do what I can to prevent a war so that Woof is still in a position to take on the badger. I've stood by you before, you know that, but this was just a bridge too far man. Maybe you wouldn't have done the same to me or Shadow, I don't know, but Shadow or I wouldn't have caused you the headaches you've given me this round either. RWL is about more than just being a good player, sometimes you have to play smart and know when to back off from an opportunity, no matter how much you feel the person deserves it. I thought you understood that, but I guess I was wrong. :(
I get that things have been tough, but you and I both know I've done nowt wrong before this. Juska? The deal was, and still is, TEN leader missions a day; I did THREE steals. He broke that deal and whined, and I PERSONALLY reimbursed him. As for WB? He cried because some leaders - that were 100% gonna die (I had an espy) anyway - got captured. Boohoo 😂😂😂. Like fair enough if this a problem, but don't try and claim I've been a problem child all around
Ps soz for all-caps, on my phone and can't bold/italic
Quote from: wolf bite on October 05, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
Firetooth and his "Bro" (who I have always suspected is a multi-account because what brothers still live in the same basement after 14 years) do a back stab sneak attack with 119 leader missions in what is called a leader suicide. Of course they broke through. Untrained archers can take out a swordsman if there are enough shots being fired. The damage done under the flag of Woof was $160 Billion cash and 1.5 Billion food.
Quote from: wolf bite on October 05, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
One may say, "Shouldn't woof be more upset at Firetooth and his 'bro' then only booting him until next round?"
Another may say, "Wasn't the old wolf in last rank 2 weeks ago, how was the crafty wolf hiding that much net worth?"
My clan is saying, "Slay the evil dogs that let this happen!"
Right, as I think has already been established by various other people, me and Firetooth are indeed separate people.
Yes we shared a room for the first 18 or so years of our life (to clarify it wasn't a basement), this was necessary due to the circumstances of our family. I would say "unfortunately this was necessary" but I actually get on really well with Conor (my brothers RL name).
To clarify, I am only 22, and Firetooth is only 20, so yes we lived in the same house until recently. I only just moved out a month ago, and Firetooth has been back and forth from Uni a lot (he gets about 5 months off from University a year, when he comes home), so I would expect our login IPs from over the past few years to match at various points.
I think it would be a very elaborate scheme for Firetooth to post as me, or otherwise login to my accounts. You can quite clearly see from our forum posts we are completely different in lots of ways, and we've always been very stringent about complying with the rules on not logging into each others accounts (for the forums or otherwise). As can be verified on these forums we both had a very religious upbringing which instilled values of playing by the rules and also telling the truth, these are values I still try to live by (despite not being religious anymore) and I can honestly say that I don't believe we have ever been in breach of the rules or abused the fact that we both have accounts (other than both living in the same house for a long time, which was admittedly very useful for co-ordinating).
If you're really paranoid, then please feel free to check our login IPs for the takedown this week, you should see quite clearly that we were logging in from different locations that were infact many miles apart.
I know I haven't been posting on the forums much these past few weeks, but to be honest between moving out and various other problems I've been facing (this year has been a bit rubbish for me) RWL has come pretty much at the bottom of my long list of priorities. I'm only replying to this thread because I'm actually quite offended that after being a member of this community for such a long time, accusations like this could reasonably be levelled at me.
I'm quite disappointed that an Administrator would level such accusations in such a personal way on a public forum, really part of me would love to participate in this mud slinging match, but I don't feel it would serve any purpose.
If anyone is still unsatisfied that me and Firetooth are indeed different people, then I'm happy to co-operate in any investigation the Admins/Mods see fit to launch, I have plenty of chat logs and otherwise proof to show that we are infact different people and do not log on to the same accounts (he was pestering me on FB to do the takedown this week at lunch, I nearly didn't have the time).
As Firetooth already explained, the 8 accounts are mostly just us messing around on the forums, I created Rinzler/Unknown and I think maybe another Tron related one? I would be very surprised if most people on these forums (at least those active in the spa) haven't created at least one or two extra accounts.
Going back to ingame, I was actually sceptical about the takedown on you WB, but I trust Firetooths judgement so just went along with what I trusted was the right course of action.
When I saw the following arrogant message on your ingame profile it put a lot of my fears to rest:
QuoteGrand Master Wolf Bite, Emperor Slayer
Your conduct on the forums has otherwise tarnished what I held to be a largely good opinion of you, I know we've not had many dealings but I respected you and admired your attempt to try and bring honour back into the game. A shame that this seems to be a thinly veiled attempt to massage what I can only assumed is your infalted belief of your ingame ability; your forum posts have been generally dishonourable and in some cases rather spiteful (which I don't think is appropriate for an admin).
I can understand being bitter about a takedown, but criticising the method is a bit petty. So what if we used a 'crude' method (I would argue it is not, but that is beside the point)? As lots of people are keen to point out this game is called Redwall Warlords for a reason, and in any case we used a well established takedown method that has been a common feature of this game for as long as I've been playing it.
But that's enough of the personal attacks I think.
I don't fully understand all the political intrigue that has gone on in this round, whilst I would love to real life has just gotten in the way for me. In some respects I now regret playing this round, which is a sad thing for me to say.
As I said previously WB, if you have any further questions I would be happy to answer these directly rather than on this thread, which I think would be largely unproductive and unnecessarily full of drama.
Quote from: wolf bite on October 07, 2016, 11:41:55 AM
Urg .... again.
Let us also try to keep factual ... again.
Myself, shadow, shael and windy are only Admins when we are doing admin functions. I even go the extra step to put (Admin Duties) to clarify. We can chat and have opinions. No one yells that an Admin is for or against a political candidate because they posted something. Let us not try to change or twist the established rules because it is me.
The words "I have always suspected is a multi-account" is a true statement. After all, when I left 5 years ago no one could verify you were two people and the Admins debated the issue at the time. If at some time later they verified, then fine. But to be accused, would be someone stating something as a FACT, not suspecting.
Thus, I did not accuse you nor was I acting as an Admin.
Let me think of an example of an accusation, Hummm, oh ... here one is: "an admin publicly promoting this conspiracy about me and sharp". Let us get past this who accused who shall we?
Just another example of things being taken out of context. Wanting to prove an opinion by twisting facts does not make the opinion correct.
Also trying to divert the conversation about the actions you actually did do by making unfounded statements yourself is not helping your cause. Even if it was true someone robbed a bank 10 years ago does not give someone else the right to run them over. Two unrelated issues.
I think the take away here is that no matter what I do or say, Firetooth will try to find ways to justify his actions.
I again, being back on topic, where is the outrage?
Wolf Bite
Really you can go into semantics all you want, but your initial posts was at the very least a thinly veiled accusation (if not statement) that me and Firetooth were cheating by using multi-accounts.
It's pretty crazy to state that anything you say on the forums doesn't have added weight because of your title, can you imagine a politician making a similar statement in RL?
"What is say in private is irrelevant to what I believe and how I act as a politician" otherwise known as a load of rubbish
Bringing up discussions from 5 years ago is largely irrelevant to the current situation, if you aren't up to date with the recent state of affairs then I would recommend not making wild accusations based on outdated information.
Like I've stated already, If you really think that there is merit to your belief, then I am happy to co-operate with anything that would help prove otherwise to you, I'm sure Firetooth would be willing too.
If you don't believe this then please withdraw this accusation (really it can be described as nothing else).
Thank you Sharptooth for your thoughtful response. I really don't disagree with your viewpoints and can see where they came from. Communication brings understanding. Please allow me to perhaps fix a few misunderstandings which I had not prior seen.
1) The term "living in their mother's basement" is an American colloquialism, or maybe more an ongoing joke. It is used when someone in their mid 20s has not left home yet. Such as used in many movies like Wayans World. It was said as a joke. Prior when Firetooth brought it up I thought he was just being overly picky, but now I can see it may translate differently European. For that I am sorry. I did not foresee how that could be taken as anything but a joke. I am also sorry that I thought you guys were over 25 where it would be rather strange to still both be at home.
2) We call all accounts using the same IP a "Bro" account. Reasonably there is always a suspect to all "bro" accounts. I have a "bro" account myself and it is also suspect, as it should be. Bloodwake is related to me. But because of being suspect, we almost never have worked together in the game. Well, ... there was that Scarwake clan. But even to this day where he lives 1,000 miles away (and recently literally moved out of his mother's basement) we still don't work together. I never asked him to join my clan or be part of any wars. That is not saying we have never done a coordinated attack, but I think I have done more coordinated attacks with windy than with Bloodwake. I would like to think that my time here, all I have done for the game and the server that my "bro" account would be beyond suspect. But it is not and I go through extra lengths so there will be no question. There is nothing wrong with me being suspect of ALL "Bro" accounts, and more so if they are doing coordinated attacks.
3) As to nicknames that other people called me, that is not being arrogant. Other people called me by "Grand Master" or "Emperor Slayer" starting over 10 years ago. Look at the same signature below this post which I had since before you started, it says "Grand Master", always has. As to "Emperor Slayer" please look at the RtR introductions when Ereptor (who has been gone 7 or 8 years) how after all that time he greeted me, he called me "Emperor Slayer". Sure, in game for the first time I put it all together, but it seems fitting now that we are fighting The Badger.
I hope that clears up some misunderstanding. The prior war was with woof. Woof formed a truce at which point all past history becomes irrelevant. One of the most dishonorable things in RWL is when a clan continues a war after the clan leaders ended the war. I am finding the past history being thrown at me to justify the attacks, which is not only now irrelevant, but I have no desire to continually defend my perspectives of the facts. Although I can see from above where some misunderstandings would found, I think if said in normal conversations they would not have been made such a big issue, and do not justify the attacks which came prior to my now clarified statements.
Wolf Bite
Ok, so sharp says he regrets playing this round, I almost quit, and at least one other person (which you know) almost quit. All of this because of how whiny and accusative and unpleasant you've been this round. When are you gonna change, man? We're not expecting you to bend a knee to us or anything, just scale back the cheating accusations. When an active administrator of a community is accusing multiple (all of woof, but mostly me and sharp) of cheating, then there are problems.
Gonna have to back the tooth brothers on this one
Might be biased cuz I've worked with them extensively over the years, specially sharpy, but game drama aside there's some very clear personal attacks going on.
living in your mom's basement might be a joke, but it's not one that has a very good connotation, especially paired with the direct insinuation that firetooth is cheating with a multi. imo that's straight up in bad taste, especially as an admin who should be held to higher standards. Shadow has had plenty of spats with Sevz and every time he conducts himself perfectly.
Other people are welcome to jump in here with their thoughts.
We really need to look at who is making things unpleasant. From the time I logged back in, almost every one of my posts or actions have been attacked. My words have been twisted and taken out of context and I am even accused of thoughts some people think I have. For some reason all the untrue, derogatory and insulting comments which have been made against me are over looked and every word I say is nit picked with added meaning put in behind. But I have spent the time addressing every untrue concern. It is like political talking points being thrown at me even after I have proved repeatedly they are not true.
Everything was peaceful for the 2 weeks after woof and I had a truce, all past was forgotten. Then there is a sneak coordinated attack on me from woof without notice or even any disagreement going on and degrading posts of victory against me made in RP. I could have yelled and rightfully made a lot of accusations then launched a greater counter attack against the woof greater assets. But I calmly wrote the clan leaders, stopped any counter strike and posted on the forums trying to calm everything down. I am spending a lot of time working with you on this.
Your clan being upset at you for bringing this drama is not something I am the cause of. There is a lot of effort being put forth here to not make an unpleasant environment. Maybe the question is are we working to work things out or just a forum to try to prove some evil intent I supposedly have?
Wolf Bite
Quote from: wolf bite on October 08, 2016, 10:29:01 AM
degrading posts of victory against me made in RP.
Wolf Bite
RP is fun, and obvs in jest and humour. I've been rp'ing so much this way as I find it's a really good way to defuse tension and remind ourselves it's just a game about Internet rats. Everyone who has rp'd has really enjoyed it m, and seems a lot less tense. The problem is not that you don't rp, obviously, but that in that void of interaction, all you fill it with is cheating accusations and sanctimonious posts. Everyone is getting tired of it, whilst me, Briar, Volk (snake) and others are all having a great time with the rp.
Also, agency was gonna come back in reg, but that's on a hiatus now until I can sort things out with volk. Not willing to emp someone who kicked me like this.
I really don't think this is getting us anywhere. I think everyone just needs to take a step back and try to approach this as a constructive conversation. I think everyone needs to lay off the accusations and counter-accusations. This is becoming a very toxic thread, and I don't see much good coming of it if it continues in this way. Perhaps it would be best if both sides just admit that there is some fault on both sides, apologize for any offense they may have caused the other, and we try to move on to actually solving this problem.
Hear hear!
Farce! Farce I say! Volkov encouraged Firetooth's aggression in order to create a destructive tool and then ordered Firetooth and Sharptooth to poison you WB in order to stop Honor from breaking the Badger before Woof did.
Volkov conveniently kicked Firetooth and now they are playing it up on the forums for effect.
//stop conspiracy theory.....
Anyway, looks like you got what you wanted there WB, Firetooth got kicked. Honestly, you should of just gone back to war with Woof, the server has slowed down since that cooled and this absentee badger was introduced.
Also, what's wrong with living in your parents basement? It's a different world now than it was before 2008, your generation can't directly relate. I could go on, but I suppose I won't.
Multi-accusations are low, especially from an admin. Get proof, agree it unanimously with the other admins and then ban them or don't bring it up.
What Firetooth did was clearly an act of war, although strategically it was probably appropriate (if the goal here is to win), if dishonorable. He got kicked, now worked him over for the rest of the set if you can otherwise move on.
A lot of drama going on here.....
Quote from: Juska on October 08, 2016, 04:26:19 PM
Farce! Farce I say! Volkov encouraged Firetooth's aggression in order to create a destructive tool and then ordered Firetooth and Sharptooth to poison you WB in order to stop Honor from breaking the Badger before Woof did.
Volkov conveniently kicked Firetooth and now they are playing it up on the forums for effect.
//stop conspiracy theory.....
Whilst this is obviously nonsense, being called a destructive tool is amazing - maybe that should be my new forum title haha.
Also, me and WB have talked and both apologised. We've got an NAP in place because of the badger, and there wont be any more aggression there. So the drama can simmer down now, I hope (although I still haven't sorted anything with volk).
Finally, public notice: sacks against me won't be retaliated against until we kill the badger.
Does that mean you're free game? ;)