Redwall: Warlords

Simple question. My justifications are that it would be a more active server, as we have seen from RtR. I don't think people who wanna come back and relive the nostalgia of the old days get the same buzz off of 3.0, and there's not the numbers of new people coming in anymore to sustain 3.0 as anything other than a playpen really. RtR shows we can have a reasonable active and competitive turbo-esque server, so I think we should keep running it.

Turbo is classic currently but only like 6 people signed up. I suspect the RtR bump was just that - it won't last.

We can certainly leave turbo with the classic code, though.

I'd be for keeping some version of the RTR server up, maybe it could keep people around?

What about just running one server (Reg code) with RtR's turns (550 vs 450) and rate (2 every 10)?
I don't think we really have the players to support two servers, much less three.

Turbo with round-themes was great, but most of those themes require a reasonable amount of players, 25 - 30 preferred.
That, and I currently don't have the time/energy to patch up old round themes and make new ones.  I coded RtR's Badger-related stuff on the fly, just barely staying ahead of in-game events for a while.
If Shads has the time plus motivation and wants to take this on more power to him.

People need a reason to do anything. Even volunteers for the homeless expect a selfie and a slap on the back. Long ago anyone could be emperor, if they were good enough. The better players got the more needed it was for clans and diplomacy. But after some time even the top players top out when the % of difference between them is slight.

What motivates a new player like IronPaw to play? It would take years to know what we do after 15 years. He has no support group. By mere numbers of old timers working together it makes it possible for the new player. Sure, when there was 300 players in this game there was so much room that even if 20 teamed up, it was not a big deal. We just played a game with about 40 players who all had experience, but almost half dropped out. My thought is that they did not see what was in it for them. More people were logging into the forum to check out the reality show drama than play the game.

Interesting about the last game was the bots. Great work by windy. But if there was a way where the Bots were always the common enemy and grew and reacted as the players grew, then maybe the playing field wold be even.

A thoughtful post should have a solution, but I only have questions. If we dumb down the game, eliminate the teaming up, and make other changes to in a way where everyone has a chance then for most it would be a bore and even the faithful would not play besides to babysit the young. Is there a balance?

We need to answer what is in it for the players, then find a way to be what they want.


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I don't think it's so much about catering to a particular demographic anymore. Fact is, text-based games are a thing of the 90s. We've survived this long because we have a dedicated community of people who grew up together, but in terms of attracting new players the draw simply isn't there anymore when you look at the alternatives that are available to the same players.

I had a lot of fun coding 3.0, and helping windy with the bots that came after, but I no longer really have the time for big projects. Windy did an excellent job this round, bugs notwithstanding, given the time constraints placed on him, but I think the situation is the same for him.

I've had lots of fun here and I'll continue visiting until it's well and truly done because I really like the people who make up this community, but the game itself is best left to fond memories, I think. We can keep servers running in whatever form people want in the meantime, but big code projects are probably a thing of the past.

Yeah, maybe close Turbo and keep Reg, but change it to an RtR turn rate?

Quote from: Shadow on December 02, 2016, 11:45:33 AM
Turbo is classic currently but only like 6 people signed up. I suspect the RtR bump was just that - it won't last.

We can certainly leave turbo with the classic code, though.

Turbo isn't 3.0 right now?

If I'd known that, I would have signed up.

It was posted in the Turbo forum. 

Quote from: Firetooth on December 03, 2016, 07:34:00 AM
Yeah, maybe close Turbo and keep Reg, but change it to an RtR turn rate?

Yes, this. 

I wouldn't mind an RtR round without a random unknown theme injected right as things are getting interesting......

.....Badger was probably fun for those who played

Not that I went inactive because of the Badger, my son was born on Oct 4th, kinda limited the whole free time thing.

Congratulations!

Hey, congrats man!

Quote from: Juska on December 05, 2016, 08:22:14 PM
Not that I went inactive because of the Badger, my son was born on Oct 4th, kinda limited the whole free time thing.

Woo-Hoo!

Best thing that can happen. Mine just turned 1 :D

^Congrats Juska.

Also, any rough timeline of when this server merging is gonna be done? For the new year?

I'd also like to know an approximate timeline for stuff.

(Also postin posts)

Will make another post for it, plus send out notifications in reg and turbo, but we are likely going down to a single server
Aiming for midnight EST Dec 31st, reset everything and open a single reg server with 2 turns every 10, 550/150 storage

And congrats Juska, that's a solid excuse for not finishing the round

Ok, right on, thank for the update!

Quote from: windhound on December 16, 2016, 02:07:30 PM
Will make another post for it, plus send out notifications in reg and turbo, but we are likely going down to a single server
Aiming for midnight EST Dec 31st, reset everything and open a single reg server with 2 turns every 10, 550/150 storage

And congrats Juska, that's a solid excuse for not finishing the round

Anyone still playing?

Edit:  lolspammer, edited a link into the quote

They do.

Quote from: windhound on December 16, 2016, 02:07:30 PM
Will make another post for it, plus send out notifications in reg and turbo, but we are likely going down to a single server
Aiming for phen375 https://theskinnyvibes.com/phen375-reviews-results/ results were amazing and midnight EST Dec 31st, reset everything and open a single reg server with 2 turns every 10, 550/150 storage

And congrats Juska, that's a solid excuse for not finishing the round

So, what was the outcome of the poll? Not as the number of votes, but what server was selected?

We should have a 3.0 server running alongside our reg code. So much went into balancing the game for us to not even use it!

Haha I thought you hated it ^_^

Not a fan of change ;-) A complete replacement of the old code is unfavourable, but two different versions of turbo would be great! Fire up the server.  :D

Eh, that would mostly be on windy to set up. I'm not 100% sure how. Would anyone else play it?

Snare just wants Turbo back :P

tbh I don't blame you, it was fun.
But I maintain that we really don't have the playerbase to support an active Turbo server.
Hybrid-reg was a compromise, and so far everyone seems okay with it.

What's that windy??? Put it to a poll vote?!? :D

I honestly think we should have a server running 3.0. It wouldn't be redundant because they're two entirely different games. People playing RWL ATM would sign up for 3.0 without thinking twice. Being good at the old code guarantees you no advantages in 3.0 and because of the drastically different playing styles I believe both games would flourish.

After all, Kyle poured countless hours into balancing the features in 3.0, making it incredibly competitive. Missing a run had a lot more of an impact on your empire, because every day of the month other players were competing with you neck and neck for that first place slot at the end of the month.

The balances were quite on point, preventing massive advantages from cropping up seemingly out of no where ( as is currently happening in game now) which encouraged players to check their empires daily, lest they miss out and fall behind. Am I the only one that remembers the spike in activity as people rushed to develop feasible new strategies?

Come on windy, can we put it to poll? :) think of how much fun Nero would have had figuring out a new food massing strategy on 3.0. Besides, as I mentioned, Shadow spent ages developing the game for us, why should we let a success fall to the wayside? I know I'm probably the last one you'd expect to be saying this (and I refrained from admitting it for this long) but I really thought there were some great ideas implemented on RWL 3.0.

*waves*

Psh.  Fine

i'd play it!

Thanks windy lol