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#46
Polling / Re: US Presidential Election 2016 on RWL
August 16, 2016, 11:37:45 AM
I'm like 8 posts behind but oh well.

Quote from: Neobaron on August 16, 2016, 09:56:03 AM
do you have a link to the actual study?

It was an experiment that the professor (Frank Flynn) performed in his business classes, here is a link to where he talks more about the "Heidi Roizen case":
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/stanford-gsb-experience/news-history/gender-related-material-new-core-curriculum

I think he first performed it in 2003, and it's been performed many times since then, with more favorable results. But it's one of the most famous examples people mention when gender bias comes up.

But if you want to read some research papers on gender bias in leadership, here's a few:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749597806000677

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-011-0012-7

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1048984303000584

There's a difference between overt sexism and unconscious gender bias. It's something you can't control, it's a subconscious reaction, but it can be trained by being more aware of your judgments. The problem is when you use that subconscious reaction as the basis for a judgment that you wouldn't have made for the opposite gender.

I agree with windy that it's less of an issue than a lot of people make it out to be. But you can't dismiss it as a myth or something that doesn't exist. I work in a mostly male-dominated field, and I've been fortunate to not have seen much gender bias in the workplace. I even get paid significantly a lot more than my husband (who is also an engineer).
But occasionally I'll see glimpses of subtle gender bias. Example: "Every woman [program manager] in this organization, you really don't want to piss her off." This was at a table full of male engineers (plus me) and they all agreed. Really? But it's okay to piss off the men? It's not a particularly demeaning comment, but this comment just interested me because it not only shows how people perceive women leaders, but possibly the personality traits required for a woman to gain leadership positions.

Anyways. A lot of issues raised on gender discrimination are blown out of proportion. But there is a tiny bit of truth at the heart of it and these issues should not be dismissed as not real.
#47
Polling / Re: US Presidential Election 2016 on RWL
August 16, 2016, 09:51:46 AM
I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you and Volkov here, Neo, but it sounds like you don't think people are capable of unconscious gender bias.

This is one of my favorite studies in unconscious gender bias: http://www.leadershippsychologyinstitute.com/women-the-leadership-labyrinth-howard-vs-heidi/

QuoteProfessor Frank Flynn, presented half his class with the case study with Heidi's name on it and gave half the class the same case study with her name changed to "Howard".The students rated "Howard" and Heidi, equally competent, but they liked Howard, but not Heidi.

Specifically, students felt Heidi was significantly less likable and worthy of being hired than Howard and perceived her as more "selfish" than Howard. Deborah Gruenfeld, of Stanford's Graduate School of Business, cited the same study, adding that "the more assertive a student found the female venture capitalist to be, the more they rejected her." The essence is that research has demonstrated a negative correlation for women between power and success.
#50
General Discussion / Re: Olympics
August 15, 2016, 09:21:04 PM
Synchronized swimming is also kind of a weird Olympic sport, but pretty interesting to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGKyEH1_svQ
#53
Polling / Re: US Presidential Election 2016 on RWL
August 15, 2016, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: Firetooth on August 15, 2016, 06:30:27 PM
Also, not sure who "Raine," but Leave.EU was not the official Leave campaign. It was the unofficial Leave campaign led by UKIP and led by Nigel Farage, a man chummy with Russia, plenty of the GOP, and far-right politicians across Europe. Oh, and there's this:

So yeah, I'm afraid being a staffer for Leave.EU is nothing to be proud of.

Just thought I would mention it since it's not often you see a RWLer in the national/international spotlight. He was the press officer so he did a few TV and radio interviews. His forum name is Vengerak, but we call him Raine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sknRa_6GqCM

Quote from: Gen. Volkov on August 15, 2016, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: The Lady Shael on August 15, 2016, 04:40:36 PM
Speaking of Brexit, did you guys know Raine was on the staff for the Leave.EU campaign?

That is interesting Shael, I did not know that. I'm curious as to how you know that.

I'm friends with him on Facebook. :p So, it was hard to miss all the pro-Brexit posts.
#54
It has divided the nation, but it has brought RWLers together.
#55
Polling / Re: US Presidential Election 2016 on RWL
August 15, 2016, 04:40:36 PM
Speaking of Brexit, did you guys know Raine was on the staff for the Leave.EU campaign?
#57
Polling / US Presidential Election 2016 on RWL
August 15, 2016, 11:49:02 AM
With the UMD discussion going on, I'm just curious to see what the tallies are.
#58
Spa Room 101 / Re: What guests are currently reading
August 14, 2016, 07:45:40 PM
windy messed up the formatting in this thread:
http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?topic=6159.0
#59
Spa Room 101 / Re: What guests are currently reading
August 14, 2016, 07:29:28 PM
Holbs, the Maker of Chuckles.
#60
General Discussion / Re: Olympics
August 12, 2016, 09:05:18 PM
I have not heard of that but it also sounds awesome. I'll have to check that out.

Have you seen racewalking though?? It looks so ridiculous. And for what? The glory of being the fastest walker in the world?